The Political Discussion Thread

[dipsofjazz]

Personally I think if you are running a business, you should set aside any notions of religious/racist/homophobic policies you have if you want to stay in business for very long, but it doesn't happen, just go into a Jewish Bakery and ask for a bacon sandwich and see what reaction you get, of course that is their right, but if a non-jewish shop said they could/would not serve kosher meat, that would be racism (happens in the UK a lot), my point was, which everybody seem to get here, is that racism/homophobia is not a one way street and works both ways, but try and bring that up and oh boy....

Re. bolded, where does this happen a lot? I have never heard of it happen here.
If you go into a Jewish bakery, you'll tend to know what goods they sell (and don't sell). The same goes for any local business - you know that the local butcher sells Scotch beef, lamb etc. If a butcher sells something else, he will advertise it on his shop front eg. Halal meat. Nobody expects every shop to sell every type of product, therefore specialist shops are there to fill in the gaps.

[SoulReaver]

Funny thought here, the biggest supporter I had so far and a little too eager to find me a girlfriend (and invited herself to my future wedding (if that ever happens) already) is a muslim friend of mine.

so a muslim woman then?

[Falcon Horus]

so a muslim woman then?

A very extrovert one too...

[SoulReaver]

A very extrovert one too...

a woman nonetheless - figured (a male muslim would never encourage this)

and while we're at it

just go into a Jewish Bakery and ask for a bacon sandwich and see what reaction you get

what happens with the same experiment in a muslim bakery? ^^
(assuming someone had the courage to try this)

[jelgate]

Better yet, why would you expect to get meat in a bakery?

[pookey]

Some over here do sell meat Jel, but usually it is cooked

[Annoyed]

Ummm... Shouldn't the arrow be pointing towards the left?

[garhkal]

Had no problems in previous jobs with mutli-stalled toilets, but after 15 years of enjoying the privacy of a (single toilet) unisex bathroom and switching over to a gender grouped restroom in the same office, is going to take some adjusting. There are moments such as pooping and intestinal gas escaping that yah just don't want anyone who knows you to hear, and then there are other moments like tinkle-time when it sounds like the waters of Niagra Falls coming out. Plus, we'll know who's been leaving pee on the seats after all this time, as well as leaving *certain* (gasp/gagging *cough*) odors behind..!

I know of some people who have issues using larger multi-stalled public restrooms, but that's most cause they are germophobes, and think the multi-stalled ones are going to be MORE hotbeds of germs than singular ones are..

I kinda like the word.
Although, I was under the impression it was a word already in use to describe a superstorm... but that would still be a good analogy.

Same here. Though i would rather they be actively trying to stop/round them up than coming up with new words to describe the threat..

I find that women tend to think ahead, and go before the movie or whatever event so they don't have to go during, unless it's a really long event.

Same here. I often do try to empty out before sitting down for a 2hr+ movie, but sometimes drinking a large soda make you need to go earlier.. This is why i used to LOVE having intermissions in films that were long..

And obviously you still don't understand the difference between gender and sex:

"In general terms, "sex" refers to the biological differences between males and females, such as the genitalia and genetic differences. "Gender" is more difficult to define but can refer to the role of a male or female in society (gender role), or an individual's concept of themselves (gender identity). "
Source: Sex And Gender: What Is The Difference?

I do know there is NOW a difference, all cause it is something that has been (IMO) Retconned into being..

I think they were more asking about when the roles have been reversed, which unless such stories are being suppressed for political reasons, it hasn't happened yet, which is fair enough, however the reason people bring it up as an example is that there is racist and homophobic incidents that do happen on the 'reverse' side, but these very rarely get reported with as such vigour as a traditional racist/sexist/homophobic event does.

Personally I think if you are running a business, you should set aside any notions of religious/racist/homophobic policies you have if you want to stay in business for very long, but it doesn't happen, just go into a Jewish Bakery and ask for a bacon sandwich and see what reaction you get, of course that is their right, but if a non-jewish shop said they could/would not serve kosher meat, that would be racism (happens in the UK a lot), my point was, which everybody seem to get here, is that racism/homophobia is not a one way street and works both ways, but try and bring that up and oh boy....

Agreed. Heck i think i have heard of several times where it Was brought up, but got shot down as 'not being discriminatory'..

I wonder what would've happened if the baker had been muslim (would they still have sued? how would the baker have reacted?)

Not sure. Though from what i have seen, to my knowledge the LGBT community has not had a 'hard on' (or so it seems) to go after those muslim shops/stores, like they have with Christian based ones..
Just like its rare you see/hear of the freedom from religion or ACLU going after a school 'emphasising Islam' (like those 2 NY schools did holding a burka day and such), but there are PLENTY to see in where they go after Christianity.
Which is to me why a lot of people DO say these are not really 'freedom from religion' or "civil liberties groups, just more 'anti-christian' ones.

[Ian-S]

Some over here do sell meat Jel, but usually it is cooked

Re. bolded, where does this happen a lot? I have never heard of it happen here.
If you go into a Jewish bakery, you'll tend to know what goods they sell (and don't sell). The same goes for any local business - you know that the local butcher sells Scotch beef, lamb etc. If a butcher sells something else, he will advertise it on his shop front eg. Halal meat. Nobody expects every shop to sell every type of product, therefore specialist shops are there to fill in the gaps.

Mostly in London where racial segregation is pretty extreme, there are whole areas where you simply don't hear English spoken at all, unfortunately I cannot cite any articles to backup my claim (and using the words a lot may have been over zellous) as most respectable news agencies won't touch things like this with a barge pole, you know discrimination is only caused by white people etc. etc. I used to work in London and still know people there and they say it's very bad in certian areas, general attitude is 'they' want traditional stores (like Tesco, Morrisons etc.) to stock every type of produce on the plant (yes it does happen, I once stopped in at the Tesco in Bow on the way home to be met by a muslim gentlemand tearing shreads out of the manager because they didn't have his favourite stuff in stock and yelling racism at every opportunity, I don't know how it ended as he was carted off by the Police shortly after) and if they don't that's racial discrimination, but when it comes to their own style shops, they don't have to and that's 'not being discriminatory' as the previous poster noted.

[jelgate]

I have worked in retail and have seen people from every culture and age complain when you run out of stock. I have seen 4 year olds act more mature than some customers

[Annoyed]

You want to see a bunch of whining crybabies, talk to people whose internet connection is down for a day or two.

[Gatefan1976]

OK I was not aware of those. I hadn't seen those stories...... Wow just wow.

You can't set aside your personal worldview to do business and make money. Just wow. Some people.

I'm rather surprised it has actually happened.

Why?
You don't think denying service based on nothing more than discrimination is not illegal?
Religious freedom means you a free to believe what you want, not to enforce your beliefs on others.

[Gatefan1976]

Ummm... Shouldn't the arrow be pointing towards the left?

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You really think Hillary is a lefty?

[SoulReaver]

at the risk of letting all hell loose here's an interesting topic that tends to spark heated debates (hehe...) : should churches be legally obliged to conduct same sex marriages?

[Gatefan1976]

at the risk of letting all hell loose here's an interesting topic that tends to spark heated debates (hehe...) : should churches be legally obliged to conduct same sex marriages?

No