The Political Discussion Thread

[jelgate]

Never seen a Tesla car, I reckon...

I'm still waiting for those cars that run on brain waves. Will you be able to give PH a lift, FH?

[Annoyed]

Nope. Never did see one pulling a boat or other such heavy load.
And the range/charging times are a killer, too.
Depending upon options, 5 - 22 miles for an hour's charging time? That is a really useful car!

It is just a matter of energy density. AFAIK, nothing we have can come close to matching the energy stored in a gallon of gas in a similar weight/volume/refuel time.

Maybe we will have something someday. But for now. Gas/Diesel is the hands down champion.

https://www.cars.com/articles/2013/1...attery-charge/

The Model S offers a choice of lithium-ion battery packs, a standard 60 kilowatt-hour battery or a more expensive, more powerful 85-kwh unit. How long it takes to recharge a depleted battery depends on whether the Model S has one or two onboard chargers and the source of the electricity.

Tesla says the 60-kwh battery provides a range of up to 232 miles (the EPA pegs it at 208 miles), and the 85-kwh battery (a $10,000 option) provides up to 300 miles (the EPA puts it at 265 miles). Here are some examples for recharging times: With a single onboard charger plugged into a standard 110-volt outlet, Tesla says you will get 5 miles of range for every hour of charging. From zero to 300 miles would take about 52 hours at that rate. With a single charger connected to a 240-volt outlet, which Tesla recommends, the pace speeds up to 31 miles of range for each hour of charging, and a full 300-mile charge takes less than 9.5 hours.

Step up to twin chargers on the car and connect to a 240-volt, high-power wall charger (an extra-cost charging unit, not just a 240-volt line) and the charging speed zooms to 62 miles of range per hour, and the total charging time drops to under 4 hours, 45 minutes.

Really in a hurry? Stop at a Tesla Supercharger station and you can top off the tank with 300 miles of range in just an hour, as long as your Model S is configured with Supercharger capability If a Supercharger station is out of reach, most public charging stations can recharge the Model S at the rate of 22 miles of range per hour of charging.

[Pharaoh Hamenthotep]

For fixed location use, there are alternatives. Nuclear is the best one, but the enviros shut that down. The issue is for mobile use.

What alternative is there for gasoline? Do we have anything that is safely transportable and can meet or exceed the energy density of gasoline ?

Hydrogen fuel cells seem to work.. Not sure how widespread they are or if it ever really took off..

[Falcon Horus]

If I had the cash for it, I bought a hybrid or a full on electric car aka a Tesla. Sadly, I don't have the cash for it so I'm stuck with a diesel-car.

[Annoyed]

Hydrogen fuel cells seem to work.. Not sure how widespread they are or if it ever really took off..

isn't there a safety issue with handling and storing hydrogen?

[Pharaoh Hamenthotep]

isn't there a safety issue with handling and storing hydrogen?

And there isn't with petrol/diesel?

[Starsaber]

Nope. Never did see one pulling a boat or other such heavy load.
And the range/charging times are a killer, too.
Depending upon options, 5 - 22 miles for an hour's charging time? That is a really useful car!

It is just a matter of energy density. AFAIK, nothing we have can come close to matching the energy stored in a gallon of gas in a similar weight/volume/refuel time.

Maybe we will have something someday. But for now. Gas/Diesel is the hands down champion.

https://www.cars.com/articles/2013/1...attery-charge/

Perhaps, but if we transition what we can away from gas now rather than waiting until we're out, it will reduce demand, meaning we're more likely to have a full alternative before we need to drill in those environmentally sensitive areas (and it should help drop the price too).

[SoulReaver]

I'm still waiting for those cars that run on brain waves.

you should be ashamed for proposing such a sexist concept
women have trouble enough driving as it is & you wanna make it even harder for them?

[Falcon Horus]

You will never be fast enough... however, the entertainment value does rise a great deal when you realize that the idiot trying to park their car in the street is actually a guy. Or, my favorite, the gentleman in the middle of his midlife crisis who had to admit after several unsuccesful attempts he had no clue how to close the roof of his convertible.

[SoulReaver]

You will never be fast enough... however, the entertainment value does rise a great deal when you realize that the idiot trying to park their car in the street is actually a guy. Or, my favorite, the gentleman in the middle of his midlife crisis who had to admit after several unsuccesful attempts he had no clue how to close the roof of his convertible.

bleh, a mildly entertaining oddity at best

this on the other hand is champion level entertainment :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vupgBykQnko

[jelgate]

/A person once said their are good drivers, bad drivers, and female drivers

[garhkal]

Any of them... that whole area should be protected.

So where would you rather we get oil from?

[Falcon Horus]

Looks like male and female drivers die all the same, but men or more likely to than women.

Fatality Facts

[SoulReaver]

Looks like male and female drivers die all the same, but men or more likely to than women.

Fatality Facts

femme fatale facts - they were distracted by women

[jelgate]

Looks like male and female drivers die all the same, but men or more likely to than women.

Fatality Facts

Their are lies, damned lies, and statistics.