Originally posted by Britta
View Post
Announcement
Collapse
No announcement yet.
The Political Discussion Thread
Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
-
allowing to access is at least as, if not more, "provably harmful" to the children since man-made birth control methods often have a nasty habit of not working as advertised and thus your precious child could wind up pregnant (which last time I checked wasn't a disease) or with an STD
which makes not doing the act at all your most fool-proof way of not having either of those 2 scenarios happen...and enrolling your children in martial arts too so that one day should the need arise they say "no" to someone who isn't inclined to take "no" for an answer
Comment
-
Originally posted by mad_gater View Postallowing to access is at least as, if not more, "provably harmful" to the children since man-made birth control methods often have a nasty habit of not working as advertised and thus your precious child could wind up pregnant (which last time I checked wasn't a disease) or with an STD
http://mic.com/articles/98886/the-st...hing-in-common
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostParental Authority.
"BRITTA? WHAT KIND OF LAME NAME IS THAT?"
Comment
-
Originally posted by mad_gater View Postallowing to access is at least as, if not more, "provably harmful" to the children since man-made birth control methods often have a nasty habit of not working as advertised and thus your precious child could wind up pregnant (which last time I checked wasn't a disease) or with an STD
which makes not doing the act at all your most fool-proof way of not having either of those 2 scenarios happen...and enrolling your children in martial arts too so that one day should the need arise they say "no" to someone who isn't inclined to take "no" for an answer
Britta...Why is it harmful to deny birth control to teenagers? I agree, anyone would have to be stupid to think that teens aren't having sex, but most teens are not mature enough to make decisions about birth control that requires a doctor's prescription. I've been in the classroom for over 20 years...I know that most teens don't have the capacity to make such decisions.Last edited by LtColCarter; 09 July 2015, 08:03 AM.sigpic
Comment
-
Originally posted by Britta View PostWhat, the right to a petty power trip at your child's expense? Parents don't magically know best all of the time.
And there will be mistakes. Too bad.
Aside from obvious abuse situations, such as your example of withholding needed medical treatment for an injury, actual child abuse (And no, spanking is NOT child abuse), refusing to educate them (home schooling counts!) or that kind of thing, the parents authority should be absolute. No excuses, no BS.
Comment
-
Originally posted by LtColCarter View PostBritta...Why is it harmful to deny birth control to teenagers? I agree, anyone would have to be stupid to think that teens aren't having sex, but most teens are not mature enough to make decisions about birth control that requires a doctor's prescription. I've been in the classroom for over 20 years...I know that most teens don't have the capacity to make such decisions.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostNo, they don't. Kids don't come with an owner's manual, every parent has to work out what is best for themselves.
And there will be mistakes. Too bad.
Aside from obvious abuse situations, such as your example of withholding needed medical treatment for an injury, actual child abuse (And no, spanking is NOT child abuse), refusing to educate them (home schooling counts!) or that kind of thing, the parents authority should be absolute. No excuses, no BS.
Or is it just that not preaching that something is evil is essentially the same as endorsing it? The "if you're not with us you're against us" logic.
"BRITTA? WHAT KIND OF LAME NAME IS THAT?"
Comment
-
Originally posted by Britta View PostIf parents were basing their decisions on medical reasons I'd agree with you, but they're often basing them on pseudo-moralistic dogma. I suppose you can argue against hormonal birth control, there are potential (rare) side effects, but condoms should definitely be easily, and discreetly, available. They certainly shouldn't be lying about the efficacy of any kind of contraception, which is de riguer for the abstinence crowd.sigpic
Comment
-
Originally posted by Britta View PostWhen something is provably harmful, like teaching abstinence only, the parents don't get to claim that nobody knows better.
There are claims of 1 case of pregnancy roughly 2000 years ago, but the accuracy of that claim is a matter for debate.
Abstinence works perfectly, every time it's practiced correctly.
The claim that it won't work because kids will have sex anyway is bogus as well. A lot of people manage to grow to adulthood and beyond without having sex. How about all of the social outcasts that can't find a willing partner? Do we excuse them for forcing themselves upon someone because the kid has to get sex someplace?
Comment
-
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostShow me 1 documented case where successful practice of abstinence has resulted in either pregnancy or the transmission of an STD.
There are claims of 1 case of pregnancy roughly 2000 years ago, but the accuracy of that claim is a matter for debate.
Abstinence works perfectly, every time it's practiced correctly.
The claim that it won't work because kids will have sex anyway is bogus as well. A lot of people manage to grow to adulthood and beyond without having sex. How about all of the social outcasts that can't find a willing partner? Do we excuse them for forcing themselves upon someone because the kid has to get sex someplace?
The Truth About Abstinence-Only Programs
Does Abstinence-Only Education Work?
Teen Pregnancies Highest In States With Abstinence-Only Policiessigpic
Comment
-
It is interesting to note that while unplanned pregnancies among young women have always happened from time to time, it didn't come anywhere near the epidemic levels we see today until the "sexual revolution" of the 70's started the "anything goes with no responsibility attached" attitudes that are so common today.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostIt is interesting to note that while unplanned pregnancies among young women have always happened from time to time, it didn't come anywhere near the epidemic levels we see today until the "sexual revolution" of the 70's started the "anything goes with no responsibility attached" attitudes that are so common today.
Comment
-
Before I dive into the quoting and replying, I would like to share the 30,000th Last Post resounding underneath the Menin Gate in Ypres.
We shall remember them.
................................................................................ .......................................
Originally posted by garhkal View PostSo IYO, a parent is not responsible for their kid, other than financially.
Originally posted by garhkal View PostSo even if a kid is witnessed say shooting someone, its "not his fault as he is just a kid"?
Originally posted by garhkal View PostDo you honestly think that will stop Obama from giving our tax dollars to Greece if it suited him to do so?
Originally posted by garhkal View PostIf legally they can be held accountable as adults for crimes committed, then why are they seen as NOT adults for other things? Why is there that double standard? THAT is what i am trying to get to the root of.
Originally posted by garhkal View PostNone of those are US places, therefore fall under the Scotus decision.
Originally posted by garhkal View PostYup. I fall short of requiring some sort of intelligence test to vote, like there supposedly used to be back in the day.
I usually have a tendency to vote for women.
Though sadly, last time also voted for the losing side, and everyone voting for the winning side all of a sudden has that wait, that's not what I voted for-thing going on. *face!palm*
Originally posted by garhkal View PostSince our inception, when has religious belief NOT been an issue in regards to someone running. Has not every president we have ever had, shown (or at least said) they are Christian/Catholic?
Well, it does help (a little) to be a good Catholic, considering the vast amount of church goers in the US.
Originally posted by garhkal View PostAlso isn't part of the reason Mitt Romney didn't get a lot more votes, is cause a lot of people did not want a Mormon in office?
Mister President Mitt Romney and his wive .... s.
Originally posted by garhkal View PostThat is why personally i would LOVE to see an Agnostic run.
Originally posted by garhkal View PostOr as my dad used to say, "If you don't vote, don't gripe about what the government does!".
Originally posted by garhkal View PostFrom what i understand, its Not mandatory here..
YET.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostAlthough I would make the requirement be "self supporting through employment in either the private sector, military, police, fire, etc. or LEGITIMATELY retired from such due to age or genuine disability". The basic idea being that if you are riding on the cart, rather than helping to pull it, you have no say where it goes. Only the people pulling it should have a say in its direction.
Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostWho are these people serving?
Originally posted by mad_gater View Postwhich makes not doing the act at all your most fool-proof way of not having either of those 2 scenarios happen...and enrolling your children in martial arts too so that one day should the need arise they say "no" to someone who isn't inclined to take "no" for an answer
Or, you know, experimented a little here and there. Did some stupid things that could have gone horribly wrong?
Originally posted by Annoyed View Postthe parents authority should be absolute. No excuses, no BS.
In Belgium, there's no minimum age to asking for euthenasia when terminally ill, which means that children can ask for it. A 4-year old will most likely not ask for it, but a 6-year old might.
How far then goes the authority of your parents? Do you want them to say "No, we forbid you to even think about it. We don't want you to die this way." or "We will decide what will happen to you?"?
A child seeking for a dignified ending, can be given just that. And while it has to go through a very thorough procedure, it's the child's choice to make, and not the parents.Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
Proper Stargate Rewatch -- season 10 of SG-1
Comment
-
sure I was young...but I was also taught common sense when I was young too...I wasn't stupid enough to put my trust in man-made pills and condoms when simply not engaging in the act was far more foolproof
IMO common sense should be taught when children are young as that's when the neural pathways are forming and strengthening and thus that's when such teachings are likely to stick into their long-term memory long after they reach adulthood
Comment
-
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostShow me 1 documented case where successful practice of abstinence has resulted in either pregnancy or the transmission of an STD.
P.S. Our Annoyed friend was on to something with Greece, apparently. Hillary Clinton's economic advisor is calling for the US to bail Greece out:
The U.S. was generous with Germany as we defeated it. Now, it is time for the U.S. to be generous with our friends in Greece in their time of need, as they have been crushed for the second time in a century by Germany, this time with the support of the troika. At a technical level, the Federal Reserve needs to create a swap line with Greece’s central bank, which—as a result of the default of the ECB in fulfilling its responsibilities—will have to take on once again the role of lender of last resort. Greece needs unconditional humanitarian aid; it needs Americans to buy its products, take vacations there, and show a solidarity with Greece and a humanity that its European partners were not able to display.Last edited by Womble; 10 July 2015, 01:23 AM.If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions.- Abba Eban.
Comment
Comment