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Originally posted by jmoz View PostSo if he gave you the capability to act outside of his power, doesn't that debunk his omnipotence quality?
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Originally posted by jmoz View Postcan't have money without the government's establishment of a formal medium of currency, their backing and production of it, and the recognition of that currency from other governments.
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Originally posted by mad_gater View Postno.....why would it? just because He gave us freedom doesn't mean He doesn't know everything which is what omnipotent means...it just means He gave us the freedom to make our own choices about Him and his teachings....just because He's not gonna force you doesn't mean He isn't all-knowing and all-powerful
Originally posted by mad_gater View Postright but government does not have the authority to tell its citizenry how to spend it....we're more than capable of helping people with it on our own power
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Originally posted by jmoz View PostThink omnipotence includes omniscience. If he knows all, he knows your past, present, and future. If he knows that, isn't the future of all mankind determined? And all we're doing it is following a path. I mean, why have that apple thing if you know they are going to eat it then act all hurt and angry after adam and eve had a bite? Why create something that you know the future of?
People don't help other people, you're idealizing people's good will.
as for your second assertion.....how did organizations like Catholic Charities get to be as big as they are then? money don't grow on trees ya know....it had to have been given to them then...by people of good will....and I see plenty of examples of people helping others out of the goodness of their hearts in time of trouble
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Originally posted by jmoz View PostThink omnipotence includes omniscience. If he knows all, he knows your past, present, and future. If he knows that, isn't the future of all mankind determined? And all we're doing it is following a path. I mean, why have that apple thing if you know they are going to eat it then act all hurt and angry after adam and eve had a bite? Why create something that you know the future of?
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Originally posted by Col.Foley View PostWould you complain if someone used the term Islamic Radical? that seems to be a good counter to that. And the other counter to that if you want someone to use the term Radical then really what is wrong with Fascist? Isn't Fascism a radical and unpleasent ideology? Is it not just a matter of semantics?
Originally posted by Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble View PostSo would Bin Laden be an Islamo-facist?Originally posted by Col.Foley View PostYes he is.
Originally posted by Col.Foley View PostAs for weding the two together. It is desgined to be a very specific and very precise term.
None of these ideologies resemble any prior understanding of fascism. "Islamic extremist" or "radical" works perfectly well to describe these groups. Inaccurately throwing fascism in there serves no purpose other than propaganda.
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Originally posted by mad_gater View Postnot once do you see Jesus going to the government and telling them to force charity through taxation....would be a violation of free will....it's my money and I'll do as I please with it....not as the government pleases.....I do use it to help people when I can bbut that's me....everyone's different...charity is an act of freely given love....such acts by their nature cannot be legislated as law
what's so hard to understand about the concept of being free to manage our own monetary affairs as we see fit? I'm more than capable of spending my money on my own....don't need government to do it for me beyond what's necessary to facilitate commerce and provide for public safety and defense....charity is up to the individual....if it's forced through government it's not charity it's robberyClick the banner or episode links to visit the virtual continuations of Stargate!Previous Episode: 11x03 "Shore Leave" | Previous Episode: 6x04 "Nightfall" | Now Airing: 3x06 "Eldest"The Continuing Stargate Wiki | Stargate: Avalon l The New "Ark of Truth" | Stargate: Universe Reviews | Banner designs by Alx
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Originally posted by s09119 View PostActually, that's probably exactly what Jesus would do today. He taught that the rich should give up all their belongings and riches to the poor, remember? The poor, downtrodden, and meek were the ones who were truly chosen by God; it was the rich and powerful that were the problem in the world.
and He was also likely speaking in hyperbole.....if they gave up everything then how would they take care of their own needs...rich people have to eat and drink and go to the doctor too
and Jesus never took one red cent of Roman taxpayer money....every bit of help was from money freely given to His ministry or from His own hands
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When your Lord and Savior says you "should" do something, I think it's pretty close to "obligated" if you don't want to go to Hell. Just saying.
Also: many would argue that the rich today steal their wealth, and how, pray tell, do you know that Jesus was being hyperbolic?Click the banner or episode links to visit the virtual continuations of Stargate!Previous Episode: 11x03 "Shore Leave" | Previous Episode: 6x04 "Nightfall" | Now Airing: 3x06 "Eldest"The Continuing Stargate Wiki | Stargate: Avalon l The New "Ark of Truth" | Stargate: Universe Reviews | Banner designs by Alx
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