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**The Flyattractor** · 02 April 2014, 10:30 AM

if I am reading you right....No...HELL NO!

**SGalisa** · 02 April 2014, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by Falcon Horus View Post

It seems I mixed up the Torah and the Talmud, my mistake.

That's okay. I get even more confused when people add in about the Mishnah (or Mishna). So, I just stick with the written Torah. At least I know what that is.

{Originally Posted by SGalisa--}
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"As for the Koran, I don't know..."

Originally posted by Falcon Horus View Post

Maybe you should give it a try.

Do they stock these in the local libraries? I think I went looking for it once, couldn't find it though.

About the Koran. If the Islamic community takes over the entire world, then it might become a requirement for everyone to read the Koran -- hopefully in one's own language. And yes, I know there is an English translation out there, but I've heard it is not accurate in some of its passages (as commented in some forums/blogs by Muslim readers of the Koran).

Arabic lettering or words shown in symbols or written out is a foreign language.. looks like lovely fluent lines in artwork (and my scholastic education focused on art--landscapes, portraits, creative stylized lettering), which to someone who doesn't know the language and doesn't have time (or interest) to study it -- makes no more sense than looking at the artistic symbols of Chinese and Hebrew lettering, but sees them as obviously styled differently. No brainer there..

Originally posted by Falcon Horus View Post

Wikipedia? Seriously... you pick the source that is likely to be reliable. There's a good reason kids over here can't use Wikipedia for their school assignments.

Would you rather I send you to some news articles instead (some require subscriptions)..?
Actually, wikipedia is very close to what I've read in those news articles and on various other discussion (forum/blog) sights regarding about this particular 12th Imam prophecy.

{Originally Posted by SGalisa--}
"What I have heard is that there is a sect in Iran, and probably thruout the Islamic world, who believe in the coming of the 12th Imam."

Originally posted by Falcon Horus View Post

A sect... like a brotherhood... like the Templars? Or the Hospitallers? Or the Illuminati (are they real or fiction?)? Or the masons?

There have been brotherhoods/sects throughtout history. Hey, at some point in time even christianity was considered a sect.

I actually, originally heard / read, several years ago, about the 12th Imam from Glenn Beck. I think there was a tiny article about it in the Debkafile at debka(dot)com, which was discussing former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's views of the 12th Imam, at that time. The article was a work in progress. I never saw the end of the report, so I cannot say for certain that is where I saw it. (I think Debka is an Israeli / Middle East journalist site dealing with more hard core serious events for analysis.)

Anyway, one of the articles about former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's involvement in the 12th Imam belief noted him as being part of "sect". That is how what one of his bosses (someone higher than Ahmadinejad was/is) described Ahmadinejad as (a believer belonging along with the rest of the group sect/section of believers). So, I cannot answer your "brotherhood" question as to what that particular group is other than what I just wrote.

Just for the record, here are a few places other than wikipedia to look into. Note, none of these are from FoxNews or Christian (news) sites, so all info is coming from the rest of the (generic) secular worldview.

Spoiler:

So, yes, I've done some follow-up homework on this subject, but not as in-depth as the above and dozens of other articles are on this subject. I usually only pay more attention to these topics when they show up in the news and then tend to forget about them with my less than 2-second memory. If the news is NOT something I *need* to remember, I usually don't remember all of the more important bits and pieces.

(when I get a few moments, and only a few moments, I've regularly been reading some topics at the following)
As for other (world-wide) info (on all sorts of varieties of subjects/topics), city-data forums is one of the more popular discussion sites, which has had some info from the Muslim communities about various insights into what they actually believe (etc.). This is very informative and helpful for English speaking readers; and most of the time, the more knowledgeable Muslims have been more than helpful to anyone seeking to learn more about the Koran and Muslim beliefs, etc. However, one must be careful at figuring out who the regular posters are in there, who are authentic. I've been following that site for several years now, so I have a fairly good idea which posters are more reliable than others. Doing a cross-read of some sources also helps reinforce recognizing what is truth and what is just tossed in.

As for going directly to various Middle East web sites with certain reputations (or if not sure who owns those sites), that is sort of forbidden in my family. We've received enough Nigerian and other Middle Eastern scam mails to fill an encyclopedia. Had enough bad experiences on another web site, so lesson(s) learned and advice to avoid heeded.

**Falcon Horus** · 03 April 2014, 02:42 AM