The Political Discussion Thread

[magi877]

both sides are so full of it...

the lib's can't even remember (apparently) that not so long ago, they were supporting this guy and his anti immigration policies

[Gatefan1976]

I have something I say to my 15 year old.
"It's not what you say, it's how you say it"

She gets it.

[Gatefan1976]

I am shocked!!!

Before clicking in here I was sure I would come to see a massive manure pile up over the Mueller hearing


have you all od'd on valium or something?

What is there to say?
Mueller stated in the report, and now in congress that trump would have been indicted if he were not the POTUS, and (if) he leaves before croaking, he still can be.
Made no difference when the report came out, makes no difference now.

[Gatefan1976]

lol cause you expected this hearing formality to deliver bombshells

tbh my expectations were about the same as for the report

question is will there ever be a real independent investigation (Trump first has to be ousted)

I don't doubt the investigation, or it's independence.
The spine of congress to act on it however?

[Gatefan1976]

both sides are so full of it...

the lib's can't even remember (apparently) that not so long ago, they were supporting this guy and his anti immigration policies

You are right, that's full of it.

[Gatefan1976]

Not true. Many of the younger folks in this country simply think that socialism means free stuff for them.

No, they don't, but don't let ignorance stand in the way of a good story eh?

He's not gonna have to rig the election.

True, he will ask others to do it and make sure he looks clean.

In case you haven't noticed, the Democrats are setting themselves up to shoot themselves in an uncomfortable place just as bad or worse than they did in 2016.

The Dems are having a family spat, and yes, it will hurt them.
The Repubs are just bowing to an autocrat.
Sometimes shooting yourself is a good thing.

They can keep on keepin' on. If you recall, I root for the other team.

You root for no one but yourself. You would ditch Donnie or Pence in a heartbeat if you feel they "threatened" your way of life. If a Dem said free fuel and boating rights for you, you would drop your panties faster than a 5 dollar hooker.

[Gatefan1976]

I understand the knee-jerk reaction, but not everything is Trump's fault.

No, it's not.
Just the stupid crap he peddles is.

[Annoyed]

I am shocked!!!

Before clicking in here I was sure I would come to see a massive manure pile up over the Mueller hearing


have you all od'd on valium or something?

Myself, at this point in the game, I don't give a rat's excrement orifice about ANYTHING the Democrats or anyone else says about the witch hunt. There was in investigation, carried out by politicians determined to take Trump down and the result was no collusion with the Russians. Translation: Game over.

The Democrats are continuing to attack simply for political reasons. Heck, we've got about 90 of em who have stated they are in favor of impeaching Trump even if he has committed no crime simply because they don't agree with him.

Looking at it strategically, I can understand their desperation. Our economy is doing better than it has in decades, for ALL classes, including the working class. Unemployment is at record lows. Many lower / middle income folks have benefited from his tax reform plan.

Historically, it's nearly impossible to oust an incumbent under these conditions.

Add to that the far left pull of many Democrats, many outright advocating socialism, the Democrats putting the interests of illegal immigrants ahead of those if actual US citizens, and the intramural squabbling among themselves (they're eating themselves alive), and Trump's re-election in 2020 is almost a sure bet. And they might lose the house again, too.

So they're desperate.

[magi877]

You are right, that's full of it.

point, missed,again

remember i said "both sides"

this is yet one more example of how when a dem says something dems support it, repubs oppose it, when a republican says the same thing, dems oppose it, repubs support it

[Gatefan1976]

point, missed,again

remember i said "both sides"

this is yet one more example of how when a dem says something dems support it, repubs oppose it, when a republican says the same thing, dems oppose it, repubs support it

I have an outhouse in need of your definition of ****.
Trump is full of it, no matter his party, and you are too stupid to understand my problem with that.

[SoulReaver]

Myself, at this point in the game, I don't give a rat's excrement orifice about ANYTHING the Democrats or anyone else says about the witch hunt. There was in investigation, carried out by politicians determined to take Trump down and the result was no collusion with the Russians. Translation: Game over.

translation: There was in investigation, carried out by Trump's Government & determined to exonerate Trump

Our economy is doing better than it has in decades, for ALL classes, including the working class. Unemployment is at record lows. Many lower / middle income folks have benefited from his tax reform plan.

also Kim Jong enjoys 110% popularity in his country according to his Government

I don't doubt the investigation, or it's independence.
The spine of congress to act on it however?

Mueller didn't look or talk like the badass soldier everyone imagined him to be instead he looked like a tired old man who wasn't even in charge of his investigation

both sides are so full of it...

the lib's can't even remember (apparently) that not so long ago, they were supporting this guy and his anti immigration policies

good thing I consider immigration to be a secondary issue

now the conservatives can't even remember (apparently) that not so long ago, they were bashing this guy despite his anti immigration policies

[SoulReaver]

to pick up on magi's initial comment I'm more surprised no one posted about the British Trump ("Boris Bump"?)

[Gatefan1976]

Myself, at this point in the game, I don't give a rat's excrement orifice about ANYTHING the Democrats or anyone else says about the witch hunt. There was in investigation, carried out by politicians determined to take Trump down and the result was no collusion with the Russians. Translation: Game over.

Translation: You are talking out of your arse, as usual, but don't care.

The Democrats are continuing to attack simply for political reasons. Heck, we've got about 90 of em who have stated they are in favor of impeaching Trump even if he has committed no crime simply because they don't agree with him.

Obstruction of justice is not tied to the Russia probe you simpleton. Clinton got impeached by the house for lying about sex, a totally legal act.
His crime IS obstruction, same as Clinton, and the rebubs did the right thing by moving on impeachment

Looking at it strategically, I can understand their desperation. Our economy is doing better than it has in decades, for ALL classes, including the working class. Unemployment is at record lows. Many lower / middle income folks have benefited from his tax reform plan.

Your economy is going to collapse under the weight of trumps tax cuts, and IF the the dems take the POTUS position, I wager you Trump will complain about the economy in a week.
Thing is, it takes YEARS of economic policy to affect the economy in terms of "average joe"

Historically, it's nearly impossible to oust an incumbent under these conditions.

Wouldn't you prefer a competent republican, or has your scrote shrunk that much?
You, liked your party have no balls to challenge trump, and because you have no balls, trump remains the image of the repubs.

Add to that the far left pull of many Democrats, many outright advocating socialism, the Democrats putting the interests of illegal immigrants ahead of those if actual US citizens, and the intramural squabbling among themselves (they're eating themselves alive), and Trump's re-election in 2020 is almost a sure bet. And they might lose the house again, too.

Can you at least TRY to learn what you are talking about?
Anyone who knows a scrap about economic/Democratic socialism KNOWS it's not "free stuff for all", it's paid for via higher tax, or offsets till you can afford to pay and still survive.
We know it's not "free shiznit" You don't.

[Annoyed]

Your economy is going to collapse under the weight of trumps tax cuts, and IF the the dems take the POTUS position, I wager you Trump will complain about the economy in a week.
Thing is, it takes YEARS of economic policy to affect the economy in terms of "average joe"

Then why has it taken a dramatic upturn since Trump took office? And don't even try to claim that it's the result of Obama's polices. That idiot wouldn't know how capitalism works if it swam up and bit him in the arse.

His polices were all about restricting and regulating the economy, particularly energy policy, which is crucial to our economy.

And it's been 9 years since Obama's ideas could get through congress. He lost the house in 2010, and the senate in 2014. As you folks on the left are supremely grateful for at this time, a divided govt. results in gridlock, neither party can advance its agenda all that much.

It doesn't really matter a great deal anyway; people vote their pocketbooks. Joe voter looks at his paycheck & general circumstances. If he's doing ok, wages have gone up, he's taking more home, he's gonna vote for the incumbent. And most working class stiffs like myself are doing better under Trump than they were under Obama.

Wouldn't you prefer a competent republican, or has your scrote shrunk that much?
You, liked your party have no balls to challenge trump, and because you have no balls, trump remains the image of the repubs.

Not true. Trump is cut from a different mold than most Reps. Show me another Republican (besides Pence, whom I've already said I would prefer) who hold the same views on many issues, such as illegal immigration. You have no idea how important that is to many of Trump's supporters. Most Reps pay lip service, if that to illegal immigration, but will take no action to actually stop it, as Trump is trying to do. Hadn't you noticed that Trump couldn't get much done on that front even though he had both houses of congress for a while? Many members of his own party would not support him on that.

Trump is his own breed; also if you recall, the national party didn't really want him all that much, they opposed him. The only way he got nominated was the rank and file party members spoke loud and clear during the primaries for 2016.

Can you at least TRY to learn what you are talking about?
Anyone who knows a scrap about economic/Democratic socialism KNOWS it's not "free stuff for all", it's paid for via higher tax, or offsets till you can afford to pay and still survive.
We know it's not "free shiznit" You don't.

From one of your favorite liberal sites:
America might be ready for democratic socialism. It’s not ready for the bill.

The squad of idiots has proposed taxes on rich folks to pay for their pipe dreams. Look farther down in the piece I linked to the section on paying for it (which lefties love to ignore). The piece estimates 37% increases on payroll taxes for the middle class. And even that won't be enough!

Do you think that anyone who works for a living is gonna vote for someone who advocates that pipe dream?

[SoulReaver]

Then why has it taken a dramatic upturn since Trump took office?

because Godvernment says so

From one of your favorite liberal sites:
America might be ready for democratic socialism. It’s not ready for the bill.

The squad of idiots has proposed taxes on rich folks to pay for their pipe dreams. Look farther down in the piece I linked to the section on paying for it (which lefties love to ignore). The piece estimates 37% increases on payroll taxes for the middle class. And even that won't be enough!

Do you think that anyone who works for a living is gonna vote for someone who advocates that pipe dream?

previously I'd have said no but now that you lot are willing to pay trillions for a (useless) wall anything's credible right?

Translation: You are talking out of your arse, as usual, but don't care.

Obstruction of justice is not tied to the Russia probe you simpleton. Clinton got impeached by the house for lying about sex, a totally legal act.
His crime IS obstruction, same as Clinton, and the rebubs did the right thing by moving on impeachment


Your economy is going to collapse under the weight of trumps tax cuts

if it could collapse this year or at least early next year that'd be best :/

that said might wanna ease it with the ad hominem Annoyed may be severely misguided but at least he doesn't call others names (AFAIK)