The Political Discussion Thread

[Falcon Horus]

The point was that the flat earth thing is a misconception people have in general.

Err... until I came in contact with Americans, I had never heard of the flat earth theory... so no, not in general.

[mad_gater]

That is not true, and you know it. I've already stated several time that the constant 3-ring circus surrounding Trump is detracting from his ability to pursue the agenda he ran on, and that at this point it would be better if he vacated or was removed and Pence took over.

I'm starting to think that the whole system is populated by circus ringmasters.....starting to think it's time to throw EVERYONE out and start afresh

[SGalisa]

yes that must be it! the Democrats colluded with the ruskies to lose the elections!
makes perfect sense!

Do you (or anyone else in this topic here) have a better explanation to the Trump-Russia *pee-on-Obama* dossier?
Whether that so-called document *thing* was real or fabricated, it takes a *twisted* and demented mind to whip up something that disgusting.

During the 1960's, I grew up in a neighborhood where such sick nonsense went on. Kids -- schoolkids, starting as young as 2nd grade on up to 8th grade school, would whip up those types of stories to set up bullying sprees against other kids whom they hated (and these "kids" were supposed to be *Christians*... as in "good Catholics" because we all went to the same Church there...small, suburban town). Those lovely, little *darlings* my own dad trusted --he never believed they would or could *ever* do anything wrong-- and he never knew the truth of what those kids did, simply because they went to the same (Roman Catholic) Church we did.


When I first saw what these sadistic, cruel, moronic, *bratty* kids --who were in or close to my own age group-- were pulling within my own town's neighborhood block ~ which was sick, sometimes pornographic pee-on ****, I pulled away from "playing" with them. And then *I* (also) became a direct target for their sickening little attacks -- physically being attacked as well as verbal.

Shocking part was when I witnessed these same trouble-makers proverbially *eat* their own gang members. As I mentioned this story before, I wasn't expecting them to hurt other kids within their own "friendly" ranks. It was an eye-opening experience I have never forgotten, and wish I could. Forgiving is one thing... but forgetting is another issue altogether. I never forgot.

Grant it, I know the saying "oh ... kids will be kids... just ignore them..." But if / when full-grown adults pull that same sort of garbage on other people --regardless of the other person's age AND / or background, I lose all kinds of respect (and voting support for the persons causing the situation) for that sort of trashy non-sense, because there *is* no excuse for such petty action(s).

[Annoyed]

Don't be too shocked if *they* (i.e., whoever "they" are) try again... or try, try, TRY again...
Those people AND the MSM are *desperate* to get rid of Trump any way possible -- by ANY method that will ultimately work in their favor. And desperate souls often resort to desperate and dispicable measures to get their way.

It's not just Trump. It's the populist/conservative agenda they oppose. If they do somehow manage to take Trump down, and Pence steps in, they will immediately start going after him using the same techniques. *snicker* If they do take Trump down, they're gonna find that wanting a thing is far better than having a thing. Pence will be able to push the agenda Trump was elected on far more effectively and will be much more adept at avoiding the slings and arrows of the opposition.

[Gatefan1976]

It's not just Trump. It's the populist/conservative agenda they oppose.

Really?
Explain this agenda to me.

If they do somehow manage to take Trump down, and Pence steps in, they will immediately start going after him using the same techniques. *snicker* If they do take Trump down, they're gonna find that wanting a thing is far better than having a thing. Pence will be able to push the agenda Trump was elected on far more effectively and will be much more adept at avoiding the slings and arrows of the opposition.

Very true, and people certainly know that.
what does that fact tell you?

[Wolf O'Donnell]

As someone who leans left I of course don't like the policies that are conservative but if that was all there was to Trump I could live with it. I lived through the Bush years and would go as far to say that I even had respect for him even though he was not my first choice.

From the crude things he says, to the constant lies, narcissism, and childishness that Trump displays both in person and on twitter I find him abhorrent.

[thekillman]

Didn't the Obama admin warn the Trump admin about people like Flynn?

Yup. And Russia's been a known troll user for a while now. Thing is, it never really went beyond fake news sites (like The Onion, except not satirical) until the recent US election. Since then, there's been people analyzing social media and finding accounts dedicated to pro-russian propaganda (exclusively), while also coordinating bots to game the algorithms underpinning Google, Twitter, Facebook.

The Steele Dossier suggests that people were aware of at least attempts by Russia (which again is nothing new. China-based hackers attempt pretty much daily), but when brought to the FBI nothing was done to it until Steele believe the FBI itself was compromised.

[Annoyed]

Really?
Explain this agenda to me.

You know it as well as I do. You rail against it often enough.

Very true, and people certainly know that.
what does that fact tell you?

That the left isn't all that bright?

[Ian-S]

I don't know why the FBI keeps going on about Russian interference in the election, just about every civilised western nation had something to say about the US election while it was going on, and it was usually Hillary is good, Trump grabs pussies don't vote for this moron, so if that isn't foreign interference but Russia throwing a few tweets pro-Trump is I'm buggers if I know what way is up anymore.

Besides, shouldn't the FBI be doing productive things like oh, following up on reports of mentally unhinged teenagers buying up loads of guns and threatening to kill people instead of chasing shadows? Surely that would be a far better use of resources, and might actually have saved some lives had they done their jobs properly?

[Annoyed]

Don't be silly. Gotta take Trump down somehow, by any means necessary.

[LtColCarter]

You are wasting your time. Annoyed will always defend Trump no matter how many times he lies

That is not true, and you know it. I've already stated several time that the constant 3-ring circus surrounding Trump is detracting from his ability to pursue the agenda he ran on, and that at this point it would be better if he vacated or was removed and Pence took over.

Sure seems to be true...

First off, in today's environment, "fact check" really means "submit to left-wing sources for their approval". When is the last time you or anyone cited a "fact check" by Fox, the National Review, Reason.com, Breitbart or any other non-leftie site? So you can throw that idea right out with the rest of the trash.

I would quote an article on the Onion before I quote anything on Fox or the other sites you mentioned.

[Annoyed]

I would quote an article on the Onion before I quote anything on Fox or the other sites you mentioned.

And you wonder why I disregard any sort of "fact checking" by lefty/liberal sites. The same logic applies.

[Falcon Horus]

Do you (or anyone else in this topic here) have a better explanation to the Trump-Russia *pee-on-Obama* dossier?
Whether that so-called document *thing* was real or fabricated, it takes a *twisted* and demented mind to whip up something that disgusting.

Do you mean like the Pizzagate one, where who was it again -- that Infowars dude, Alex Jones? -- told everyone Hillary Clinton was running a child pornography ring out of the basement of this pizza place, and one moron actually took out his gun and went to check it out, intending to shoot up the place.

Besides, shouldn't the FBI be doing productive things like oh, following up on reports of mentally unhinged teenagers buying up loads of guns and threatening to kill people instead of chasing shadows? Surely that would be a far better use of resources, and might actually have saved some lives had they done their jobs properly?

Hey, another one who doesn't know the FBI has different units and can do both at the same time.

And if you are going to blame the FBI for what happened in Florida, your ignorance is probably bliss.

And you wonder why I disregard any sort of "fact checking" by lefty/liberal sites. The same logic applies.

You could always do your own fact checking... but that would require some effort, I guess.

[jelgate]

You can't have that FH. It would shatter his conspiracy that checking facts is a vendetta against Trump

[Gatefan1976]

You know it as well as I do. You rail against it often enough.

I mean policy, not morals.

That the left isn't all that bright?

Or that they consider what trump is doing to your country far more damaging that what pence would do, even if it costs them.