The Political Discussion Thread

[mad_gater]

You are looking at this BACKWARDS MG, it's not that the government has cronies in the bank, it is the BANK who has cronies in the government. You decry cronyism, but you don't even get how it works!!

Oh, and just a hint, don't try using your A-E card outside of the USA, you will get hit with fee's left right and centre. In fact, their fee's are so bad, many merchants -here at least- simply won't accept any form of A-E.

one way or another...the banks and government are in bed with each other, does your nitpicking my grammar and syntax change that fact any?

and on the off chance I was ever able to go on an overseas trip anywhere...I wouldn't be stupid enough to use ANY credit card since most major credit card companies usually tend to charge foreign transaction fees, not just AmEx

[mad_gater]

Many merchants in the US won't take A-E either, due to the expensive terms they impose on the merchant.

actually I've encountered very few merchants that won't take the AmEx Bluebird card directly and I'm also pretty good about checking either their set of logos for credit cards they do accept for the AmEx logo or asking inside

[Coco Pops]

So a congresscritter suggested this actually happen


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.fefbb8c469bb

That is disgusting

[Gatefan1976]

one way or another...the banks and government are in bed with each other, does your nitpicking my grammar and syntax change that fact any?

1: I am not nitpicking your grammar
2: YES, it makes a huge difference.
Corporations owned by the state VS the state owned by corporations, this is the basic dichotomy of how you and I think. You think state run is "Socialist", and think that free market capitalism should be allowed to run free.
I think letting the corporations run everything will lead to further economic divide within the US (and here as well)
Who controls who is a very major issue, and it affects -everything- else.
Take your party blinders off MG.

and on the off chance I was ever able to go on an overseas trip anywhere...I wouldn't be stupid enough to use ANY credit card since most major credit card companies usually tend to charge foreign transaction fees, not just AmEx

You are missing the point, even annoyed got the point of what I was saying.

[Gatefan1976]

actually I've encountered very few merchants that won't take the AmEx Bluebird card directly and I'm also pretty good about checking either their set of logos for credit cards they do accept for the AmEx logo or asking inside

Compare it to Visa or MasterCard.

[Gatefan1976]

https://www.mediaite.com/online/trum...to-be-a-loser/

So why is YOUR President this petty and insecure?

Don't expect an answer.
As to why he is so pathetic, he has been pathetic his entire life. He flushed the "small, million dollar loan" from his dad down the crapper (and got more, somewhat illegally), ran casino's and STILL lost money, failed at trump U, trump wine, trump. oh, whatever at this stage, but these gullible rubes think that because he is TRUMP, he will do good for them.


Keep him away from the military and the nukes, he can go back to being the piss-poor tagline his life is.

[Falcon Horus]

How can you possibly be called out for that? Can you post a link to your comment and response? I am now most curious to see how anyone can pick fault with this comparison

I shall try to locate it again... but it's been a while since I posted about it.
But I'll give it my best shot.

So a congresscritter suggested this actually happen
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.fefbb8c469bb

That is disgusting

It reminds me of another time period, some 79 years ago... it's on the tip of my tongue but I can't quite remember what it was again.. Anyone any ideas what I might be looking for?

I think it was something big... or led into something big...

[Gatefan1976]

No need for concern here FH, history is for loosers to consider.

[Annoyed]

2: YES, it makes a huge difference.
Corporations owned by the state VS the state owned by corporations, this is the basic dichotomy of how you and I think. You think state run is "Socialist", and think that free market capitalism should be allowed to run free.

But that's just it. Situations where the government owns the means of production are known as socialism/communism. We are not a communist/socialist nation.

At least not yet, anyway.

[Falcon Horus]

But that's just it. Situations where the government owns the means of production are known as socialism/communism. We are not a communist/socialist nation.

At least not yet, anyway.

Nope, you're currently moving into an oligarchy -- could also be dictatorship or theocracy.

[Annoyed]

Nope, you're currently moving into an oligarchy -- could also be dictatorship or theocracy.

Trump and the current shift to the right are just temporary. This country has been steadily moving to the left for decades now.

[Falcon Horus]

That's right... going to turn the economy back round... from growth to well... less growth.

[thekillman]

That's right... going to turn the economy back round... from growth to well... less growth.

The economy is slightly more complicated. For one, the effects of many of trump's decisions won't be felt for decades to come. Stuff like rolling back environmental legislation will take years to be felt in full. Raising the debt by a trillion dollars will haunt the US for decades. It's not like the US hasn't been suffering from shutdowns in the past, there's another shutdown looming and with a trillion extra dollars in debt it'll likely cause only more problems on the long run.

[aretood2]

Our national debt is now higher than our GDP. Just take a moment and consider what that means.

[SGalisa]

Evangelicals I think really do want the USA to become a theocracy so yeah no different to the Taliban IMHO...

That link I posted was a Republican who wants women to not have a career and stay home and be breeders.

Breeders? Seriously? Maybe some people *want* to do that, but not ALL Christians / evangelicals.

Spoiler:

I've been a Christian my entire life, and "Breeding" human babies has NEVER been on my mind. Breeding miniature horses for providing therapy to handicapped children, YES. But not on the personal human level... My sister's pregnancies soured me on EVER having my own kids (she had both natural AND Caesarean)-- scared the bejeebies for actual delivering birth (you get surgically cut in both methods, and many moms just look at this as "oh well, that's life...!" uhhhhh... maybe to them!!!). The natural method still involves surgery where the slicing is VERY painful, because it's where you go Pee and burns like fire until it heals!!!

Evangelicals I think really do want the USA to become a theocracy so yeah no different to the Taliban IMHO...

They are a dangerous breed, they're the pick-and-choose Christians of the bunch.

A USA "theocracy" won't ever happen, unless the Dems are completely removed from power positions and rendered neutered. On the other hand, if the Muslims gain complete control of the gov't, a theocracy is very possible. Christians in the gov't know where their limits are permitted and not. If the constitution is ever removed, it won't be because "fundamental" Christians in gov't positions removed it. The removal will happen from other forces (Dems) working against the Constitution and replacing it with some one-world, globally enforced LAW.

Currently and for several decades now, the United Nations is acting as the one-world backdrop to push for this one-world objective / goal. Everyone working in gov't agencies use the United Nations regulatory book as the ultimate, final SOURCE of gov't info. Even the USA gov't under President Trump is still using this UN book as the final guide source. What happens regulatory wise can be overturned, but most likely will occur on a temporary ruling. Whoever gets into the USA office after Trump has left, will most likely turn those regs back to UN mandate, if the rulings are not there already. Besides hearing some gov't rumored rumblings, even in the Federal (and State) Registers, this is the most likely scenario that will happen.

Fretting over "OMG, the fundies (fundamentalists / evangelicals) are taking over the whole world!!!" is just hogwash. That is not how the prophecies read anyway. The liberals are expected to take over and consume the whole planet. I'd say that is the biblical answer, because it is. And if the USA's liberal California is any shining example of what is in store for the rest of the USA when the rest of the USA returns to the Dems complete control, that's a sad view of what to expect for all of us. California is so messed up in its regulations and philosophies on how certain, popular folks over there believe the gov't should be run, etc., it's going to be a very sad day for the USA, when we (the rest of us USA states) get cloned into what California already is.

Trump and the current shift to the right are just temporary. This country has been steadily moving to the left for decades now.

Please Listen to what Annoyed has noted. This is the TRUTH. As I noted in the "prophecy" topic, Trump is just a (temporary) bump in the fabric of time... a small reprieve to many industry and business people.


.............the following info might be a slight sidetrack to the above comments, but is self-explanatory (and unfortunately there are too many overlaps with these discussions)..............

Not everyone sees capitalism as a positive when those folks who cannot work due to handicaps or injuries need assistance from other sources -- such as gov't help. Independence is better when the private sector can sustain itself with 24-hour care, if that is required and personal finances are readily available. However, some people legitimately need extra gov't help/assistance. Eventually, those same non-working folks end up in nursing homes under STATE controlled health care. The are essentially wards of the STATE, and lose everything they've ever owned to the STATE. They also end up at the mercy of the doctors and folks "caring" for them, so it's not all bliss and roses, except for the nasty, prickly thorns proverbially hiding underneath waiting for the more unlucky ones who have to endure living thru that sort of lifestyle.

I worked in a nursing home on each resident/patient's actual overall health "care plans", so I know this is what happens. It also happened when private care ran out for my husband's dad (his own savings account was completely drained), then the State's health care system took over from the private sector, and everything else "dad" owned was absorbed by the nursing home first (to pay all the bills). After State care kicked in, "dad" essentially was at their mercy, until he was unable to heal from pneumonia issues (4 times he was sent to the hospital for this). Whether his level of care was ignored until he literally got worse, I don't know. I just know he died after the 4th round. Docs told us that they didn't want to prescribe any more antibiotics and simply let his bodily systems shut down.