The Political Discussion Thread

[garhkal]

and btw winning the democratic (popular) vote while losing the legal (electoral) vote has so far only happened to the Democrats right?

in other words the electoral college was designed specifically to favour the Republicans

Surprisingly 3 of the 4 are republicans.
1824, first time, Quincy adams lost to andrew jackson, but due to neither getting the required # of electoral votes, it went to the Scotus to rule. THIS was before the republican party was even formed. Adams was democrat.
1876, Rutherford B hayes, lost popular vote to Samuel J Tildon but won electorally by 1 vote.. Hayes was republican
1888, Benjamin harrison beat out Grover cleveland electorally but lost out popularly. Harrison was a republican..
Then again in 2000, bush beat out Gore..

However, if we just went by popular vote, if someone took ALL of the popular vote in just the top 10 states (Ca, Texas, AZ, NY, IL, Fl, MI, PA, NC and Georgia), that gives them 54.2 of the total popular vote (by population).. So if we just went with the popular vote, the politicians would ONLY Focus on those 10 (maybe the top 15 states), and pretty much tell all the other states "you don't count, only they do"...

taking out Trump is essentially impossible now anyway but that's not necessary

at any rate it's time for the citizens to put that 2nd amendment to a really good use

So as i said, you are in essence calling for the assassination of trump..

and seriously if there's anything this election should've taught you & all the rest of you by now it's that playing clean (like the Democrats do, so far only Republicans have stolen presidential elections)

EXCUSE ME??@! SO all the proof me and Annoyed have shown that the majority of cases of election fraud ARE BY DEMOCRATS is meaningless? You only see the 4 times the EC overruled the popular vote and call THAT fraud/stealing things?? I guess NO amount of proof will ever convince you...

it is when facing people whose only answer is violence.

And pray tell WHICH GROUP is being violent? Did trump supporters riot outside of ANY democrat event? NO, did dems riot outside of GOP events?? PLENTY OF TIMES.
Did Trump supporters beat up rally goers coming or going from events? Other than that one dude who punched that guy being taken out of an auditorim, not to my knowledge. BUT there's been plenty of instances of people getting assaulted going into or out of a trump event by dems.. OR having their cars vandalized...
AND YOU have the gall to call TRUMP supporters violent?!?!
What ever drugs you keep snorting has really rotted your brain.

No, you just yell at a random Latino on the street: "Hey latino! Trump won. He's gonna send your ass back!"
Nevermind that the Latino being yelled at, is in fact a US citizen.

And who's doing that yelling?? Where?

Or, schoolkids asking their African-American classmate whether she shouldn't be sitting in the back of the bus instead now.

Where was this at?

Or painting nazi-symbols on windows.

Again where? And how does that compare to vandalizing several GOP offices (arson in one, breaking windows twice for another), OR people scrawling on walls "Go out and kill a trump supporter"?

Plenty of hate-filled messages seen today on twitter, and they were rarely coming from the loosing side.

That may be. Its one of the reasons i stay CLEAR of social media sites like that.. Too many asstards who vent, cause its anonymous..

So well what about all the stuff Trump wants to repeal?

He wants to make abortion illegal?

Also I think it was either him or Pence but they want to make Miscarriage a legal offense? How the hell would that work?

So back to 1950 we go yay!!!!!!!!

So far the only thing i have heard about wanting to repeal was obamacare. Someone DID ask one of trump's workers "Will he repeal roe vs wade" and iirc the lass answered "we don't know, but that is the fearmongering we are hearing.."

Watch the news, there are protests going on right now in at least 7 major cities.

And with the exception of AZ and Texas the other 5 are democrat strongholds..

I don't recall there being widespread protesting in the streets after the LSoS's wins in 2008/12. And the birther idea was born in the runup to the first term election, wasn't it?

Nor after bills win back in the 90s.. Heck i can't remember any other times of it..

No one knows for sure how many of those machines had the so-called glitches or pre-programmed/marker box set-up. It was probably programmed in and not caught for a while; but Pennsylvania was one of those states that got exposed for having lots of those problems, because even the *observing watcher(s)* tending to the booths -- tried to see what happened and ended up with the same problem.. glitch or deliberate pre-programmed result, if gone on not checked and in *FAVOR* of Hillary Clinton, NOT Donald Trump.

I heard of one polling district in Utah that supposedly had 75% of their machines all get that 'record one vote for another person' Glitch so they all were taken off line and everyone did voting by paper ballots..

[Gatefan1976]

Surprisingly 3 of the 4 are republicans.
1824, first time, Quincy adams lost to andrew jackson, but due to neither getting the required # of electoral votes, it went to the Scotus to rule. THIS was before the republican party was even formed. Adams was democrat.
1876, Rutherford B hayes, lost popular vote to Samuel J Tildon but won electorally by 1 vote.. Hayes was republican
1888, Benjamin harrison beat out Grover cleveland electorally but lost out popularly. Harrison was a republican..
Then again in 2000, bush beat out Gore..

So, it's actually 50/50.
5 times it has happened, once before 2 parties even existed, and the other 4 is balanced.
gee, I wonder why I did not blame the EC.

However, if we just went by popular vote, if someone took ALL of the popular vote in just the top 10 states (Ca, Texas, AZ, NY, IL, Fl, MI, PA, NC and Georgia), that gives them 54.2 of the total popular vote (by population).. So if we just went with the popular vote, the politicians would ONLY Focus on those 10 (maybe the top 15 states), and pretty much tell all the other states "you don't count, only they do"...

As opposed to them only caring about battleground states??

So as i said, you are in essence calling for the assassination of trump..

Trump won, and some of his supporters are still calling for him to jail his political opponent, so they are, in essence, looking for rulership by a candidate willing to jail the looser, with no case.
That is fascism, are you happy to be a fascist? Are you willing to drag your country down to that point?
Amazing how quickly people are willing to allow the state to do what they want, if they like it.

EXCUSE ME??@! SO all the proof me and Annoyed have shown that the majority of cases of election fraud ARE BY DEMOCRATS is meaningless? You only see the 4 times the EC overruled the popular vote and call THAT fraud/stealing things?? I guess NO amount of proof will ever convince you...

No, the lack of facts did that.

And pray tell WHICH GROUP is being violent? Did trump supporters riot outside of ANY democrat event?

yes,

NO, did dems riot outside of GOP events?? PLENTY OF TIMES.

yes

Did Trump supporters beat up rally goers coming or going from events?

yes

Other than that one dude who punched that guy being taken out of an auditorim, not to my knowledge. BUT there's been plenty of instances of people getting assaulted going into or out of a trump event by dems.. OR having their cars vandalized...
AND YOU have the gall to call TRUMP supporters violent?!?!

Yes.

What ever drugs you keep snorting has really rotted your brain.

you don't even need them.

And who's doing that yelling?? Where?



Where was this at?



Again where? And how does that compare to vandalizing several GOP offices (arson in one, breaking windows twice for another), OR people scrawling on walls "Go out and kill a trump supporter"?

get out of your bubble.

That may be. Its one of the reasons i stay CLEAR of social media sites like that.. Too many asstards who vent, cause its anonymous..

So, you admit you ignore wanting to know, but feel right in calling people out?
ok.

So far the only thing i have heard about wanting to repeal was obamacare. Someone DID ask one of trump's workers "Will he repeal roe vs wade" and iirc the lass answered "we don't know, but that is the fearmongering we are hearing.."

One would think someone with no dick would be more concerned about that.

And with the exception of AZ and Texas the other 5 are democrat strongholds..

And none of them required cops except as traffic control.

Nor after bills win back in the 90s.. Heck i can't remember any other times of it..

Uh huh

I heard of one polling district in Utah that supposedly had 75% of their machines all get that 'record one vote for another person' Glitch so they all were taken off line and everyone did voting by paper ballots..

yep, it's rigged.

[Ian-S]

So well what about all the stuff Trump wants to repeal?

He wants to make abortion illegal?

Also I think it was either him or Pence but they want to make Miscarriage a legal offense? How the hell would that work?

So back to 1950 we go yay!!!!!!!!

I was going to ask this too, it's my understanding the present abortion laws were a constitutional amendment which makes changing them virtually impossible, as the American on Sky said last night if he tried to change that he might as well resign there and then.

So what about Gay marriage rights? How does the American law making system work? Surely he would need to go through the senate and even though he 'owns' that, it's no guarantee they would approve it and even then surely the Supreme Court could block it as being unconstitutional?

I suppose what I'm trying to ask is do the pro-lifers and gay marriage supporters actually have anything truely to worry about from a legal standpoint or are they being led up the garden path a bit by those stirring up trouble for the sake of it?

[Coco Pops]

OK not trolling but just to play devils advocate here, had to put the disclaimer because this is meant as an honest question.

If Hillary won there would have been accusations of rigging.....

But why can't we ask the same question when Trump wins?

[Annoyed]

Trump won, and some of his supporters are still calling for him to jail his political opponent, so they are, in essence, looking for rulership by a candidate willing to jail the looser, with no case.
That is fascism, are you happy to be a fascist? Are you willing to drag your country down to that point?
Amazing how quickly people are willing to allow the state to do what they want, if they like it.

I am convinced that Hillary is guilty, and belongs in prison. The only difference is that come Jan. 21, she won't have the administration shielding her from prosecution. The investigation should then proceed without the head honcho of the FBI being ordered not to press charges. I've read numerous reports where the actual agents who did the investigating say that charges should be pressed. If she is not guilty, fine. But let's have a trial to determine the facts w/out the administration shielding her.

Of course, this will not happen, I suspect the LSoS will pardon her before he leaves office.

[Annoyed]

I was going to ask this too, it's my understanding the present abortion laws were a constitutional amendment which makes changing them virtually impossible, as the American on Sky said last night if he tried to change that he might as well resign there and then.

Abortion was made legal by Roe v. Wade, a SCOTUS case.
With a properly constituted SCOTUS, that decision can be reversed.

[Ian-S]

Thanks but 1) that wasn't what I asked, and 2) remember you're talking to a thick Brit who's only "official" source of new relating to USA comes second hand from a Fox News subsidiary so we don't even know what scotus means, to us it's some illiterates attempt to spell scrotum a clever way....

So break it down for a thick Brit please who has learnt far more about American politics simply by reading this forum for a few weeks than we could ever hope to acquire from the fearporn the MSM like to call news...

[Annoyed]

Supreme Court Of The US

[Ian-S]

Ah right, and they can, in theory, block anything he proposes if they think it unconstitutional?

Bit like how our House of Lords can block legislation voted through by the Government if they don't like it? (Like theydid with Tax Credits, Government voted to reduce them by a massive majority only to be blocked by the HoL who said no that is not in line with our Countries beliefs).

[Pharaoh Hamenthotep]

Abortion was made legal by Roe v. Wade, a SCOTUS case.
With a properly constituted SCOTUS, that decision can be reversed.

Why is that so important to you, single old man with no kids?

Have you considered moving to Iran or North Korea? I think you would be very happy there

[Ian-S]

He was trying to answer a question by me as to how realistic the chances were for Trump to do the things the media said he'd do like ban abortions and strip gay rights.

[Pharaoh Hamenthotep]

Not very.

Not without a fight.

[SoulReaver]

So as i said, you are in essence calling for the assassination of trump..

bah don't you folks support execution? it's execution or self defence for democracy or w/e so there you go (legitimate to oust an illegitimate leader who stole an election especially if the majority of the people voted for the other contender)

anyway it need not come to that if he's indicted in the next 70 days (or some legitimate riots revolts force Obama to declare martial law, içf, that's what it takes to preserve democracy)

EXCUSE ME??@! SO all the proof me and Annoyed have shown that the majority of cases of election fraud ARE BY DEMOCRATS is meaningless? You only see the 4 times the EC overruled the popular vote and call THAT fraud/stealing things?? I guess NO amount of proof will ever convince you...

all irrelevant only presidential elections matter & so far the conservatives have stolen 3 now

And pray tell WHICH GROUP is being violent? Did trump supporters riot outside of ANY democrat event?

they died worse during the campaign & were planning far worse if Trump lost, now it's the Democrats' turn

Did Trump supporters beat up rally goers coming or going from events? Other than that one dude who punched that guy being taken out of an auditorim, not to my knowledge.

say that to Austryn Crites
not to mention intimidation (neocon tactics) used by both civilians and the SS of course during election day

What ever drugs you keep snorting has really rotted your brain.

you're gonna need some good drugs when the american nightmare sets in
stop believing your media btw obviously they favoured Trump (more airtime for him than anyone else) so they made it look like Dems were causing the most trouble but we know better

[Ian-S]

(In answer to PH) I was actually more interested in the legal points standing in his way rather than the moral ones, everybody knows some things he proposed are just nuts, i was just curious whether those founding fathers really did foresee someone like him being elected and put proper legal safeguards in place, or whether it was just more bull**** from the mouth of someone who should know better.

[SoulReaver]

Abortion was made legal by Roe v. Wade, a SCOTUS case.
With a properly constituted SCOTUS, that decision can be reversed.

this goes far beyond abortion
those same judges will make gestapo tactics legal in day to day life (the SS already had considerable privileges will an almost "kill at will" licence now it will get even worse)

so I wonder if there's any way to save democracy in that country once these nazi judges are nominated - a judge can't be removed from office right? so that doesn't leave many options
time for the majority of americans to put their 2nd amendment to good use (how well protected are the judges by the way?)