what kind of ship would you build for earth

[kopd]

I'm glad this topic was brought up, because it's something I have been thinking about a bit. While some decent attack ships are of course necessary from a defense stand-point, there are other things to consider. I think we need a couple of small, quick ships, something similar to a Goa'uld cargo ship. Then, the next time someone is trapped off-world, or Felger 'felges' up the Stargate network, we won't have to hear the dreaded words "we're still waiting for a Tok'ra with a ship."

[Lostinmyownvoid]

I'm glad this topic was brought up, because it's something I have been thinking about a bit. While some decent attack ships are of course necessary from a defense stand-point, there are other things to consider. I think we need a couple of small, quick ships, something similar to a Goa'uld cargo ship. Then, the next time someone is trapped off-world, or Felger 'felges' up the Stargate network, we won't have to hear the dreaded words "we're still waiting for a Tok'ra with a ship."

Good idea but it still needs escorts so maybe a psuedo-fighter/transport would be better. Maybe a fighter style ship that holds an extra four persons.

[thefurryfurling]

i think a cool weapon might be a naquadah enhanced H-bomb that was on a missle type payload but had cloaking technology and was moving slow enough to bypass shields, like O'Neill's knife on that episode with Heur'ur. it went through his shield or the tranq darts on Chimera

[Lostinmyownvoid]

i think a cool weapon might be a naquadah enhanced H-bomb that was on a missle type payload but had cloaking technology and was moving slow enough to bypass shields, like O'Neill's knife on that episode with Heur'ur. it went through his shield or the tranq darts on Chimera

Why not an just make a Naquadria(spelling?) Bomb like Kellownans (spelling?) used.

[MadJaffa]

My vision of the Earth fleet of Season 8 and beyond. Arranged by size from smallest to largest:



F-302 or similar - no interstellar travel, can enter atmosphere and escape Earth's gravity, loaded on larger classes for transport, later upgraded with Atlantis tech

Al'kesh <sp?> or Transport: Earth style - hyper-drive, personel and cargo transport, can hold it's own against death gliders and such, can load onto:

Prometheus class - what we love and hate, emphases taken from carrier role, placed on gunship duty, still can enter an atmosphere

Uhhhh class - this ship would be as large as a Ha'tak, true carrier, mass troop transport and mass battleship, this ship should, in the story, be wrought with delays, maybe not till SG-1 and it comes to the rescue of Atlantis

[aAnubiSs]

I'd fix the F-302 engines, Goa'uld really owns up F-302 here. Get the gravitic-drive! I'd also find some turreted energy weapon.

BC-303, is fine the way it is.

Would research railguns. Either to launch missiles or naquadah projectiles. With the Asgards help we could get the railguns up to a good speed. This would probably pass right through the shields due to the amount of kinetic energy they're carrying.

I'd make something like the drones Anubis used in TLC1. SGC has limited manpower, and should therefore risk as few lives as possible. Drones would do this.

[Mr Prophet]

Why not an just make a Naquadria(spelling?) Bomb like Kellownans (spelling?) used.

Or we could get a stick, write 'right' at one end and get hold of it by the other.

I reckon the first thing they need is an offworld shipyard. If the SGC aren't going to fess up about the Stargate Program, they need somewhere completely out of the way to carry out their starside R&D and large scale manufacturing. It's a big project and that's good because it's full of story possibilities; especially if they build it on an abandoned alien shipyard that's still full of booby traps.

aAnubiSs: What makes you suggest that high KE would let a railgun penetrate shields any more effectively than the energy in a plasma weapon? Or the detonation of a missile?

[thefurryfurling]

Why not an just make a Naquadria(spelling?) Bomb like Kellownans (spelling?) used.

because naquadria is rare, besides we naq h-bombs are easier and cheaper to produce, and in the ep Memento when the naquadria reactor exploded it nearly took out the prommie and it knocked out electronics on the planet surface

[Janus]

spg_1983 idea about making our own of Goa'uld cargo ship makes sense.
But I think that, unlike the Goa'uld version, ours should be armed.
Once it works, Felger's plasma weapon should do the trick.
The problem is the events in 'Redemption, part II'.
Here we learn that Anubis can see cloaked ships.

But maybe there's a way to fix this.
I was thinking that Anubis didn't see the ship itself.
He found a way to pick up a ship's exhaust.
Then all you have to do is follow the trail to the start.
But if you were to install a 'sprinkler' at the end of the ship's tailpipe, you could scatter the exhaust into pockets to small for sensors to see.

[aAnubiSs]

Or we could get a stick, write 'right' at one end and get hold of it by the other.

I reckon the first thing they need is an offworld shipyard. If the SGC aren't going to fess up about the Stargate Program, they need somewhere completely out of the way to carry out their starside R&D and large scale manufacturing. It's a big project and that's good because it's full of story possibilities; especially if they build it on an abandoned alien shipyard that's still full of booby traps.

aAnubiSs: What makes you suggest that high KE would let a railgun penetrate shields any more effectively than the energy in a plasma weapon? Or the detonation of a missile?

Do the math on how much energy a 10Kg projectile at 0.01c delivers. The plasma bolts aren't travelling fast at all and plasma isn't good for long range.

[Janus]

What about the ship found at Steveston in "Nightwalkers'' ?
Maybe we could finish it using the information captured during the incident.
And since all the Goa'uld had work with was Earth technology, getting resources wouldn't be problem.
That ship would be build with parts and materials that exist on Earth.
Maybe an idea for the X-304 ?

[Mr Prophet]

Do the math on how much energy a 10Kg projectile at 0.01c delivers. The plasma bolts aren't travelling fast at all and plasma isn't good for long range.

Yeah, but when lasers go slower than bullets, it's time to put physics on the back burner. The only reason railguns are any good at all is those super cool corkscrew trails, which you know they'll still leave if someone fires them in space!

[aAnubiSs]

Only seen one laser/particle beam in all stargate. And that's on the replicators ship.

And lasers wouldn't be good in ship vs ship, since all it does is heat up the ship. And Naquadah is very heat-resistant.

[Mr Prophet]

And trinium is resistant to projectiles, plasma would boil off into space and slow-moving energy blasts would be worthless for firing at fast-moving ships at ranges of over a hundred yards anyway. What's your point?

Stargate is very much soft science fiction. A railgun would work if it were suitable to the plot and not otherwise; kinetic energy calculations notwithstanding.

[Janus]

What about a deep-space mine-laying-ship ?
Take a mine from the Toban system, figure it out and make our own version.
Then build a ship to put a nasty surprise in place for any Goa'uld ship that drops out of hyper-space.