Stargate and Nudity

[Angelgrinder]

beyond a porn movie, do you really NEED nudity? seriously, if two characters are going to have sex, do you need to SEE them doing it to know it's been done???

Still, what's the problem with a naked person who's just... naked?

[rlr149]

most of the violence is rather tame. jack shoots his gun, the jaffa fall, end of scene. I see more violence than that in a sports bar during a game

another case of horrendously misrepresenting something!! RL violence is rarely tame. all that suggests to kids is "use guns, they make the baddies fall down"

i'm not suggesting "saving private ryan" style makeovers, but i find the double standard highly amusing.
tame violence is ok --------- gory isn't.
tame nudity isn't ----------- 'sex' isn't.

between 'sex' and 'violence', which of those will most likely result in someones death? (if you say the 'sex' then you're doing it wrong )

can't remember a civilization that ended due to 'sex', in fact they pretty much all end in 'violence'.

[Lythisrose]

If TV shows or movies were in the habit of showing nudity as an every-day part of human existence, and everybody got their "flash" in, so to speak, I'd be OK with it. But until they start showing every body in that fashion, even the less than attractive ones, I'll continue to believe they only show it for the titilation factor. If it wasn't meant to be at least somewhat sexually suggestive, why when it does happen, is it usually the ones with the perfect bodies? (I don't just mean Stargate here). Sometimes less-than-attractive guy bodies are shown, and then it seems it is just meant to be humorous. So I get a message that if you have a less than beautiful physique you are not worthy to have your body shown in a serious situation. So until it is done with some semblance of respect, I'd rather not have the full frontals, thank you.

[AvatarIII]

That scene wasn't even remotely sexual, it was parasite getting a better look at a potential host. Considering it was also designed to show how vulnerable and helpless she was, showing her bare really was appropriate.

i think, on some level it was sexual, even if it was only on a metaphorical level. i think the general distinction between sex and violenceon tv is that it is just how it has been for so long, it is a habit that is difficult to change. sex and nudity have always been associated with each other, for obvious reasons, and for a long time nudity was a taboo, due to the fact sex was discouraged, and nudity bought on sexual thoughts. violence however, almost has had the complete opposite history, going to war for your country (or planet) is and always has been considered a noble thing to do, it has only been since the invention of more efficient ways of killing has violence of this sort become frowned upon, but it is still held in noble regard.

[Crichiel]

If TV shows or movies were in the habit of showing nudity as an every-day part of human existence, and everybody got their "flash" in, so to speak, I'd be OK with it. But until they start showing every body in that fashion, even the less than attractive ones, I'll continue to believe they only show it for the titilation factor. If it wasn't meant to be at least somewhat sexually suggestive, why when it does happen, is it usually the ones with the perfect bodies? (I don't just mean Stargate here). Sometimes less-than-attractive guy bodies are shown, and then it seems it is just meant to be humorous. So I get a message that if you have a less than beautiful physique you are not worthy to have your body shown in a serious situation. So until it is done with some semblance of respect, I'd rather not have the full frontals, thank you.

Weird, I was just thinking about this topic yesterday. I am not SCARED of nudity, as it was so elegantly put, but no, I don't want it on tv. That's just my personal preference, 'nuff said there. But MY line of thought yesterday while I was driving was about what Lythisrose said; People will argue and say it is natural and beautiful, but it's curious that they don't show the Joe Everyman naked very often. In fact it is almost never MEN at all, only busty, size 0-4 models.

[jenks]

So why is it so hard to believe that many people are offended by nudity and not with violence?

It's not hard to believe, it's just a highly disturbing thought. To think that your own embarrassment is enough for you to consider violence less offensive than nudity seems just plain wrong to me.

[Daedalus-304]

Still, what's the problem with a naked person who's just... naked?

For the same reason there are no bathrooms in Atlantis:

It's an annoying part of life that people just want to pretend doesn't exist.

[ToasterOnFire]

Meh. I watch HBO on a regular basis, so I have no problem with nudity, swearing, or violence.

Atlantis is a family show? Huh. It must be great for the kiddies to watch something violently burst from someone's abdomen, blood spray and all. Not to mention proudly displaying the severed head of your enemy. But even hint at nudity or sex and only then does the "think of the children!!" mob come out.

[Major Clanger]

if you don't need it, why show it?

To quote my beta readers (back in the day...) "show, not tell"

[Skydiver]

In fact it is almost never MEN at all, only busty, size 0-4 models.

which is the double standard.

and why many oppose unnecessary nudity in entertainment programs, because the main focus are the big boobed skinny young girls, ie the 'sex appeal' ideal, which gives the impression that males are - of course - better than females and shouldn't ever be set up for such scrutiny, and that any female that isn't size 4 with a 38DD isn't worthy

In a show that i watch, if the nudity is a necessary part of the story, fine. but if it's just there to rack up titilation points, why bother? try writing a better story and you won't need boobies to entice people to watch

[Crichiel]

which is the double standard.

and why many oppose unnecessary nudity in entertainment programs, because the main focus are the big boobed skinny young girls, ie the 'sex appeal' ideal, which gives the impression that males are - of course - better than females and shouldn't ever be set up for such scrutiny, and that any female that isn't size 4 with a 38DD isn't worthy

In a show that i watch, if the nudity is a necessary part of the story, fine. but if it's just there to rack up titilation points, why bother? try writing a better story and you won't need boobies to entice people to watch

My point exactly!

[leeman15251]

I don't care if it's in the show or not.

[jenks]

which is the double standard.

and why many oppose unnecessary nudity in entertainment programs, because the main focus are the big boobed skinny young girls, ie the 'sex appeal' ideal, which gives the impression that males are - of course - better than females and shouldn't ever be set up for such scrutiny, and that any female that isn't size 4 with a 38DD isn't worthy

In a show that i watch, if the nudity is a necessary part of the story, fine. but if it's just there to rack up titilation points, why bother? try writing a better story and you won't need boobies to entice people to watch

I'd say this just demonstrates more of a double standard on the part of the audience if anything, loads of shows feature half naked men but no one thinks twice about it, where as the sight of a naked women seems to tear at the moral fabric of society in the eyes of some, either that or it's just for cheap kicks.

[Jackie]

which is the double standard.

and why many oppose unnecessary nudity in entertainment programs, because the main focus are the big boobed skinny young girls, ie the 'sex appeal' ideal, which gives the impression that males are - of course - better than females and shouldn't ever be set up for such scrutiny, and that any female that isn't size 4 with a 38DD isn't worthy

In a show that i watch, if the nudity is a necessary part of the story, fine. but if it's just there to rack up titilation points, why bother? try writing a better story and you won't need boobies to entice people to watch

Hence the target demographic of stargate. Boobs, Butts and Bombs are all aimed at men.

The franchise really doesn't care about the women who watch the show or if it's really and "family" show because...tptb are marketing their action figures, DVD and sci-fi channel itself towards males. The toys are "collector toys" and they are not "dolls" but "action Figures." (no guy would buy a doll for himself--unless it's GI Joe.)

The network is targeting the male demographic with wrestling shows, b-rated movies and paranormal plumbers. (lifetime targets women)

Too bad the industry hasn't seen the new demographic as a real market yet. the new demographic is young women who like sci-fiction, grew up with Star Wars and the later Star Trek. These girls are not considered to be in the demographic because some marketing genius told the industry to market towards the males..they won't be spending their money on clothes so they will be more viable. (Seriously--that is the attitude.)

I'm glad stargate doesn't show the nudity...but we still get stuck with the "young and sexy" girls cast on the show. The costumes are less than desirable and fall into the shapely outline class with low bust line cuts. The violence is aimed at men. Bullets flying everywhere, bombs blowing things up and above all..cool new alien toys and big bad-ass ships.

I imagine the only reason they don't have nudity in this show is due to the 12-16 year old boys that are a staple to the marketing. The tptb know if they went into the nudity...the show would be pushed into an adult category and they would lose viewers whose parents wouldn't tolerate the added skin. Thus, it's a show you can watch with your boy. lol.

The double standard is across hollywood and males are never cast as sex symbols the way women are cast. The male lead is always good looking but never required to wear a sock stuffed in his underwear and little tight leather outfits.

[PG15]

I always wondered: if the show appeals to men SO MUCH, then where did the female audience even come from? Why did they start watching in the first place? There must have been something to draw them in, right?

And why are they still watching?

And please. Us guys may get our pretty ladies once in a while, but the show's main cast is dominated by men, and good-looking ones too, if the many, MANY HUGE Thunk threads are any indication. Please stop playing the victim.