Stargate and Nudity

[jetflair]

Ahh, one of my favorite things to be frustrated about. I simply cannot comprehend why nudity and sex are considered so taboo.

Consensual sex is a common, highly pleasurable activity, required for the survival of our species. The naked body is the human form, pure and simple. It's not horrifying, disturbing, or wrong.

Violence, killing, and torture and supposed to be considered deeply wrong in most of our modern societies. If asked to choose what we'd rather see or have our children see in real life, two people enjoying sex or a person getting tortured to death, what would you pick? What would you rather show your child in real life, a dead body with maggots crawling out of a gunshot wound, or a naked woman?

People who are adamant about sheilding their children from sexual content while allowing them to watch violent programs baffle me. If you're afraid they are going to learn bad examples from watching sex or nudity - what does that say about violence? Is it healthy for a child to know a dozen ways to kill a person before he or she knows how the act of sex is performed?

Ahh, yes, Stargate Atlantis, the family show. Watch John Sheppard get tortured to the point of death by a blood-sucking monster. Enjoy a nice beheading. Perform involuntary medical experiments on your enemy, or starve him to death, or shoot him as he stands in a holding cell. Ohh, look Timmy, the bad guy has the preganant woman strapped to a table! I wonder if he's going to torture her?

Timmy, this is Ronon. Let's watch the bad guys perform surgery without anesthsia and hunt him like an animal while he relives all of the most violent and heartbreaking moments of his life. Ohhh, look! They're going to beat him up, too!

Wasn't that fun? Let's watch some SG-1! OhGodBoobs! Close your eyes close your eyes close your eyes they just took her clothes off! I'm sorry Timmy, if you saw that I promise we'll put you in therapy right away. You okay, sweetie? You're not getting any sexual urges, are you? We wouldn't want you kissing girls at school.

Here, let's stop watching TV, go play with your new Pirates of The Carribean sword set. Maybe you can reinact the mass execution scene from the beginning of the movie! Wouldn't that be fun?

[Reiko]

The naked body is the human form, pure and simple. It's not horrifying, disturbing, or wrong.

.: Hit it right on target with that statement - pure and simple.

[~Dave]

.: Hit it right on target with that statement - pure and simple.

I still don't think I want to see any of yours! LOL!

I remember in one episode, Dr. Langford got to go off-world to find her long lost fiance'. When they arrived, he appeared naked. Sam did not seem to have reacted well to this "totally natural" sight. They got him covered up fairly soon. If we're to see nudity, there must be (Playboy) standards. No old wrinkly people, please. Hahaha!

~Dave

[jetflair]

Whether we *want* to see it is a different and far more personal matter. I typically don't enjoy graphic sex or violence, I prefer to fill in some things (or not) with my imagination.

I found the nude scene we're talking about here made me cringe....but perhaps that was the point? Was the scene more repelling because the victim was shown completely naked? I think so....and maybe it wasn't supposed to be comfortable to watch. They were making it, in effect, a rape scene.

I wouldn't enjoy watching a show that made me cringe like that on a regular basis. But if they do it every so often to make a point, I can deal with it. Some people probably watch that scene without batting an eye, and others probably refuse to watch it. It's all a matter of personal threshold.

[Falcon Horus]

The male 18-45 element doesn't really care about frontal female nudity in a television show today. We have the internet. Everything from big perfect boobies to hardcore equine intercourse is at our fingertips.

Could someone tell that to TPTB please... Thank you.

[~Dave]

What if they only showed nudity in the over 70's crowd? Would that be to anyone's liking? After all, O'Neill liked his National Geographics.

~Dave

[kymeric]

I think whoever said that porn on the internet makes sex on tv pointless. Every kid whos spent 2 unguarded minutes on the internet has seen the most hardcore crap as any of us. Its really just the laws and the network standards. If you wanna keep ure show on u do wut the boss says, and they say family show.

Bsg is basically a snuff film in space.

[Mister Oragahn]

This is something i cannot understand at all. Why are people so so scared of seeing people without clothing on screen but have apsolutely no problem with violence.

Let me ask you all a question. In real life what would offend you more, a person walking down the street completely naked or a person walking down the street with a severed head (The Last Man)?

Its really odd as in the real world sex and nudity are common and there is nothing wrong with it but on television its a big no no but violence is completely opposite where violence (killing people) is acceptable but in the real world you would get arrested and spend a very high amount of time in gaol.

Why are people so afraid of nudity on television (specifically Stargate) but violence is far more acceptable?

My opinion is that if it is tastefully done nudity should not be a problem for any tv show (including stargate).

It's idiotic and hypocrit.
That's why you have Carter pulling the sheet to cover her torso to the man she just made love with (probably kinky stuff).
The family is a BS excuse, because where I live seeing boobs on screen is totally tolerated, barely worth a mention, but murder, that's another thing.

That's why they're trying to shock people more and more with those shows where people "openly" speak about sex, but it ends very awkward and forced.
Everytime you get an extreme, you see an opposed one rising.
Here, it's particularily cretinous. There's nothing hurting seeing a woman's bust.
However, it's totally nuts to think, as Wright seems to argue, that you can excuse violence more than a nipple in that TV box before the family.
It's totally retarded.

[hyzmarca]

Violence, killing, and torture and supposed to be considered deeply wrong in most of our modern societies. If asked to choose what we'd rather see or have our children see in real life, two people enjoying sex or a person getting tortured to death, what would you pick? What would you rather show your child in real life, a dead body with maggots crawling out of a gunshot wound, or a naked woman?

I must say that I'd be substantially more comfortable with the violence, but it is important for children to learn both.

Violence is considered wrong in our culture because we're all idiots who are too far removed from the realities of life. Every human being kills, with the exception of babies. Most of us kill indirectly, but participating in a massive conspiracy to murder still makes us murderers. We kill because we do work. We need to get fuel and materials for our bodies from somewhere. Because we are incapable of photosynthesis we consume the bodies of other living beings.

There was a time when most people lived on small family farms. The vast majority of children grew up watching animals being forced to mate and being slaughtered for food. The majority of these children even participated in both the forced mating and the slaughter at some point in their lives. A severed head was nothing for parents to worry about there children seeing. Most parents helped their children perform their first decapitations. Sex wasn't anything to be concerned about, either. Just as parents taught there children how to kill they also taught their children how to encourage animals to have sex.

Industrialization, unfortunately, caused the economic backbone of the world to shift from farming to manufacturing and causes populations to migrate away from rural farms and into big cities, totally changing the circumstances around which children are raised. These days, most children don't know that they have their hamburgers because a cow was brutally murdered and that there is nothing wrong with that. Fewer still have engaged in such murder, and that is just sad.

Most human beings of today's generation are moral weaklings. We hide behind moral arguments to justify our own pampered squeamishness. We say that torture is wrong. We say that murder is wrong. We say that genocide is wrong. We say that showing female nipples on broadcast television is wrong. But, when pressed for an explanation as to why they are wrong, we find it impossible to give a satisfactory reason. We find it impossible because none of these things are wrong. They are, in fact, right. If anythings can be called good, then murder and nipples certainly can be called good. They're what life is all about. They are the only things that life is about. Killing and ****ing. That is why we exist.

We kill and we kill and we kill so that we can survive long enough to pass on our genes to the next generation. As soon as we stop killing, we die. If we stop killing before we've had sex and created the next generation, then that's the end. Everything that we were ceases to be and all of the countless generations worth of sex and murder that went into making us was ultimately pointless.

[~Dave]

Who gets to decide what's appropriate for children to see?

~Dave

[Falcon Horus]

Who gets to decide what's appropriate for children to see?

I assume that's what parents are for... *shrug*

[amconway]

I personally though the nude scene was gratuitous and removed from the tone of the rest of the pilot- and that was even before I knew that the writers hadn't intended for it to be nude. Showtime insisted that there be nudity and so there was. Any editing that takes place at this point merely makes it what the writers originally intended. You may not like it that North Americans don't consider frontal nudity appropriate for family viewing, but that is kind of beside the point. The writers had an idea of what they wanted, the network made them change it, and now they have the freedom to change it back.

[SylvreWolfe]

Who gets to decide what's appropriate for children to see?

~Dave

I decide what is appropriate for my child. Not Brad Wright and his *violence is ok for a family show, but brief nudity isn't,* mentality

[Jackie]

Who gets to decide what's appropriate for children to see?

~Dave

I decided what I want my daughter will see! No one else...that goes for internet as well as TV and movies.

If I don't want to see it on screen then there is no way I will let my kid see it.

There are many tools available to parents to block access to certain tv and internet sites. I would hope more parents would employ them more often. Unfortunately that's not always the case.

[rlr149]

perhaps all SG personel should wear bhurka's from now on, men and women!! a 'finely turned' ankle may arouse other members(of the team you dirty sods) don't want that when the killing starts!!