The ego of some Fans with the attitude of how dare someone not like my show or want my show cancelled. I never knew Anti Fans on Gateworld had the power to cancel shows with their thoughs and comments. It's nice Joe has some Fans who will back up anything he says or does. It's too bad Joe and those Fans have to tear down certain fans to defend their show. Shows will be picked up and cancelled regardless of what is written by Pro and Anti Fans on Gateworld. If a show I like is cancelled or is in danger of being cancelled I'm not going to take it out on a certain fan base. It's not right for Joe or anyone to call someone or their views idiotic.
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Originally posted by smurf View PostI have to ask; is it an "active campaign" or just a place for people to bemoan something they once/still love?
I've been in anti threads previously, and there wasn't any "active campaigning" (frankly, that all seems a bit high energy), but there was a bit of "look at the ratings it agrees with us", and "if it carries on like this don't be surprised if it gets cancelled". Admittedly, there were a few "I'd rather it was cancelled than go on like this", but I wouldn't call that a campaign.
So is it an active campaign - with the badges and the t-shirts and the letter-writing - or just over-emotive use of language? (on both sides )
the most recent discussion was on possible cast changes for season 5. that is why i dont understand where JM is coming from.
I also hope he was only talking about extreme posters not just generalising everyone on the anti threads as we are not all anti everythingsigpic
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Originally posted by smurf View PostI have to ask; is it an "active campaign" or just a place for people to bemoan something they once/still love?
I've been in anti threads previously, and there wasn't any "active campaigning" (frankly, that all seems a bit high energy), but there was a bit of "look at the ratings it agrees with us", and "if it carries on like this don't be surprised if it gets cancelled". Admittedly, there were a few "I'd rather it was cancelled than go on like this", but I wouldn't call that a campaign.
So is it an active campaign - with the badges and the t-shirts and the letter-writing - or just over-emotive use of language? (on both sides )
I think the one who does the most campaigning wins an official Anti Team Stargate beanie.
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Originally posted by smurf View PostI have to ask; is it an "active campaign" or just a place for people to bemoan something they once/still love?
I've been in anti threads previously, and there wasn't any "active campaigning" (frankly, that all seems a bit high energy), but there was a bit of "look at the ratings it agrees with us", and "if it carries on like this don't be surprised if it gets cancelled". Admittedly, there were a few "I'd rather it was cancelled than go on like this", but I wouldn't call that a campaign.
So is it an active campaign - with the badges and the t-shirts and the letter-writing - or just over-emotive use of language? (on both sides )
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Originally posted by ses110What a surprise. I see Joe still like his robots who question nothing about the show and who like to bow at his feet.
Originally posted by ses110Most Anti's do not like the direction there show has taken and many would rather the show ends then go on. It does not make them good or bad or right or wrong.
As a Star Trek fan, I thought that Enterprise was god-awful, but if somebody else wants to watch it, that's fine by me... The weirdo...
Originally posted by Willow'sCat View PostChanging one leader to another and killing off a reasonably popular character like Carson doesn't make the show different it makes it desperate!
Characters I like get killed off all the time on various shows, but I don't stop watching the shows because of it.
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Originally posted by prion View PostJust a place for people to bemoan whatever. There is no active campaign. JM just started the rumorPinky, are you thinking what I'm thinking?
Yes, I am!
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Originally posted by Briangate78 View PostI think the first discussion will be Carter's, Carson's, and Keller's fate.
Originally posted by Moneypenny View PostIt's one thing to actively dislike a character being brought onto a show or removed from a show, or a plotline or whatever. That's an ever-revolving door and it's entirely about personal opinions. They will never, ever please everyone.
It's quite another thing to actively encourage the cancellation of a show (one that you - general you - presumably once enjoyed) just because it's not going your way. (And partly basing that encouragement on a season that hasn't even finished and/or started airing yet is definitely special.) It's not only selfish and petty, it's insulting to the fans who are still watching and liking what they see AND to the cast and crew, who bust their asses every week trying to put together a good program. The end result of the show getting cancelled may mean personal satisfaction for unhappy fans, but it also means a lot of people losing their jobs. All because you have a different opinion of how some person (or people) should be doing their particular job.
Now of course it doesn't actually come to anything. Of course Sci Fi is not suddenly going to axe the show just because a bunch of people wish it so. But what on earth is the point of wishing for something like that? It's uselessly negative. If you don't like the direction the show is going and want it to end then hey, stop watching and for you, it *will* end. The magic of that remote control. If it's a particular point you're not liking and you want that to change, then wouldn't actively campaigning for that change be more rewarding? And, you know, productive?
I mean, seriously, we're not even halfway through season four. It's mind-boggling.
Joe was a hell of a lot more polite than I would've been.
The only logical things that I can think of is that you either feel the show should have ended before the changes that you dislike (i.e. Season XX never happened) so that effectively the show would remain how you liked it and your precious memories of the show you loved will not be tarnished by what you feel to be an inferior version (and yes, I have seen people express exactly this opinion here on GW) OR you feel that if the show were cancelled it would somehow validate your opinion that the show is bad and "prove you right" and make you feel superior to all the people who were dumb enough to keep watching it when you "knew" it was a terrible show.
Why would you care so much what anyone else thinks? Just as people repeatedly tell the pros on GW to ignore what the antis think and not let it bother them, why should it bother the antis that other people enjoy the show? If you don't enjoy it anymore then that's a shame but there you go.. but why should it upset you or bother you that other people do enjoy it and want to see it continue? And why should you feel the need to hope that it doesn't continue? Just to upset or annoy those pro fans? Because, really, it shouldn't make any difference to you, as an anti, whether it continues... Because you don't like it and don't want to watch anyway...
Originally posted by ses110 View PostThe ego of some Fans with the attitude of how dare someone not like my show or want my show cancelled. I never knew Anti Fans on Gateworld had the power to cancel shows with their thoughs and comments. It's nice Joe has some Fans who will back up anything he says or does. It's too bad Joe and those Fans have to tear down certain fans to defend their show. Shows will be picked up and cancelled regardless of what is written by Pro and Anti Fans on Gateworld. If a show I like is cancelled or is in danger of being cancelled I'm not going to take it out on a certain fan base. It's not right for Joe or anyone to call someone or their views idiotic.sigpic
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Originally Posted by prion
Just a place for people to bemoan whatever. There is no active campaign. JM just started the rumor
Originally posted by Pitry View PostRatherm the person who originally psoted the question
Smiley Face06 writes: “On the GW forum, there are already anti season 5 threads. That makes absolutely no sense to me, for various reasons.”
to which JM replied:
Answer: Yeah, I found those hilarious. (Yeah, I said hilarious.) Criticizing a show you are watching is one thing, but actively campaigning against the production of a show that other fans are enjoying is, well, idiotic. “Yeah, I said idiotic.)
However, there is only ONE anti-season 5 thread, so either all evidence of multiple threads has been erased, or Smiley Face06 was exaggerating, and either JM doesn't know what a thread is (and confused posts with threads) or else he never even bothered to go over. And whichever scenario it is, don't particularly care, but he could at least get his fact straight. I went through the only anti season 5 thread I could find, and while people are bemoaning casting, writing, Mark Stern, and JM's remarks about the thread, plus photos of couches, mod posts warning anti-anti people to stop trolling the anti-thread, there's not one mention of campaigning, or hidden agendas.
Again, another case of a mountain being made out of a molehill.
And oddly enough, since season 5 has yet to be created, Joe can't complain about fans complaining about it
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Originally posted by gange57 View PostI think the one who does the most campaigning wins an official Anti Team Stargate beanie.
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I believe the comments about wanting the show cancelled were mostly made in the Anti Season 4 Thread, before the news of the renewal came out.
I don't profess to know what JM meant by actively campaigning but maybe he understood the "Anti Season 5" thread title to mean that people didn't want Season 5 to exist - therefore making an active statement that Season 5 shouldn't happen?sigpic
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Originally posted by ses110 View PostI never meant to imply anyone who still likes the show as a robot. If anyone took it that way I'm sorry. I just have a problem when joe insults a certain group for not agreeing with his vision for the show and then certain posters use the same insults that Joe used on the Anti's.sigpic
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Originally posted by prion View Postwhich no doubt will be handed out by MGM, who is turning fans into spammers with their team stargate memos. Hmm, a black cap with red letters and little flames off the font style?sigpic
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Originally posted by Willow'sCat View PostSorry hon but the show has been crap imho for the last 2 seasons, so far season 4 has not changed my opinion. So far season 4 is just cementing that opinion, giving them another season just means another season of the same when you don't change the writers or the over all producers... sorry hon but if you keep everything the same you get the same. Changing one leader to another and killing off a reasonably popular character like Carson doesn't make the show different it makes it desperate! The only real change is to the show runners and as I have never been a fan of Joe M or Paul M's writing I think it is safe for me to say that is not a change I see as positive... but that is just me.
To want changes and to petition for changes are one thing. The SEW girls and the SCB girls have come up with some creative ideas in the hopes of getting their characters back. Good for them! I simply don't understand why a person would post anti comments about a show that they're not even watching, and blindly following other people based on what they have watched. How can they objectively form an opinion if they aren't watching it? If they watch and hate it, or think it's crap, like you. Great, let's talk about it, but what can a person say about something they've never seen? They'll end up like a broken record, because they've got nothing else to add! You may not agree with me, but do you see where i'm coming from?
As for this so called active campaign to get it cancelled... give me a break, if Bridge want to keep making it and SciFi want to keep showing it no campaign will get it cancelled. That is just laughable, and I think Joe M knows it which is why I assume he is willing to make digs at the expense of the Anti posters on GW and other forums.
Anyway who are you to say people can't post what they want here in a designated thread for those posts? As long as no GW rules are broken why should you care?
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Originally posted by prion View PostQuote:
Originally Posted by prion
Just a place for people to bemoan whatever. There is no active campaign. JM just started the rumor
This is what happened. A fan posted this:
Smiley Face06 writes: “On the GW forum, there are already anti season 5 threads. That makes absolutely no sense to me, for various reasons.”
to which JM replied:
Answer: Yeah, I found those hilarious. (Yeah, I said hilarious.) Criticizing a show you are watching is one thing, but actively campaigning against the production of a show that other fans are enjoying is, well, idiotic. “Yeah, I said idiotic.)
However, there is only ONE anti-season 5 thread, so either all evidence of multiple threads has been erased, or Smiley Face06 was exaggerating, and either JM doesn't know what a thread is (and confused posts with threads) or else he never even bothered to go over. And whichever scenario it is, don't particularly care, but he could at least get his fact straight. I went through the only anti season 5 thread I could find, and while people are bemoaning casting, writing, Mark Stern, and JM's remarks about the thread, plus photos of couches, mod posts warning anti-anti people to stop trolling the anti-thread, there's not one mention of campaigning, or hidden agendas.
Again, another case of a mountain being made out of a molehill.
And oddly enough, since season 5 has yet to be created, Joe can't complain about fans complaining about it
I think the way to view it is that how would you at seeing "Anti Season 4" or "Anti Season 5" as a Producer for a TV shows you put lots of hours, lots of creativity, and have worked on for the better part of 7 years?
We are the ones who simply enjoy the fruits of his labor, but he is the one making it all possible. I, for one, fully admit to the fact I could not do what he does (although I would not be against giving it a go).
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