Star Trek Ships vs. Stargate Ships

[elrondaragorn]

The Ori and Ancients are the Stargate Equivalent of the Star Trek Q Continuum, Organians ("Errand of Mercy TOS) Trelane (Squire of Gothos) The Dowd (TNG Survivors) Apollo's Race (Who Mourns For Adonais) Sargon's Race ( Return To Tomorrow) and the Zetars (Lights of Zetar) as well as Charlie X and Gary Mitchell ( Where No Man has gone before) Not to mention the Traveler ( Where No one Has Gone Before)

[elrondaragorn]

The Borg and replicators would have mutually assimilated each other and those Beserker drones in another galaxy threatening the Destiny

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

The Ori and Ancients are the Stargate Equivalent of the Star Trek Q Continuum, Organians ("Errand of Mercy TOS) Trelane (Squire of Gothos) The Dowd (TNG Survivors) Apollo's Race (Who Mourns For Adonais) Sargon's Race ( Return To Tomorrow) and the Zetars (Lights of Zetar) as well as Charlie X and Gary Mitchell ( Where No Man has gone before) Not to mention the Traveler ( Where No one Has Gone Before)

The Ori and Ancients didn't have the power to travel anywhere and any when in time with a thought or wave of a hand when appearing in corporial form, in fact the Ancients have proven that once they chose to descend they cannot always re-ascend to an energy state.
The Ancients showed that Ascended beings in stargate can only affect the area of space they occupy, at most they can destroy a fleet of ships within the orbit of a planet, but that's as far as their powers stretch.

The Q can destroy a star quite easily, they can fling a starship light years away with a wave of their hand (whilst in Human form).
The Dowd were outright stated to be capable of destroying lifeforms in the billions plus from several light years away.

It would take technological medalling on our plane for an Ancient to soup up a ship like the Traveler could do by focusing the Enterprise D's warp field through his mind (or whatever it was he did in TNG).

This is an off topic thing to discuss, since this thread is about ships vs ships and not life form of a higher level along the evolutionary plane than Humans from each Sci-Fi show.

The Borg and replicators would have mutually assimilated each other and those Beserker drones in another galaxy threatening the Destiny

The Borg's firepower is amongst the most powerful of any in Star Trek.
Since Star Trek races of a similar level to the Federation can destroy large portions of a planet's crust with their weapons and the Borg can easily withstand this, yet the Replicators are fighting races that can just about take out a city block the Replicators would be operating on a level far lower than the Borg.
Nanites from the Asurans took a very long time to assimilate Elizabeth Weir, MW Reps are not stated to be more advanced than the Asurans, but it did take a while for the Reps to take over a ship with their nanites, this seems to point to Replicator technology not being that advanced compared to the Borgs.
Anyway in a straight up, ship on ship battle the Replicators would lose against the Borg, whether it's a Ha'Tak modified, Asgard ship or Replicator made vessel, the firepower level of the Borg is far higher than that of the Romulans and Cardassians and similar ST MW races and they have always displayed greater levels of damage compared to what's been seen and stated in SG.

[darth_timon]

Any kind of merger between Replicator and Borg technology would be a nasty thing to face- well, if it were a merger with MW Replicators, which appear more advanced than the Asurans.

[Araval]

If you are gona compare ALL of stargate races to just the Federation that is unfair, as they are not one. In order for the comparison to be fair u have to either compare Federation VS SGC or the two universes.
I am not about to go through every race in both Universes would take way to long.

Federation VS SGC = SGC would win, with the asgard weps and shields. pre asgards Federation would win

Ancients Vs The Q Continuum = the Q would win, snap there fingers and ancients are gone.

Goa uld Vs Federation = This would be a hard one, basic unmodified goa uld ships Federation, upgraded Goa
uld...i think they would win

Ori vs Voth ( Dinosaur race that evolved on earth millions of years ago) =i think this would be a close one to hard to tell.

Asgard vs Federation = Asgard would win,

Wraith Vs Federation= Federation would win.

Nox Vs Vulcans= they both wouldnt fight lol.

Tollan Vs Borg= Borg would win, adaptive and mass numbers.

There are many races to add to this list, although the Star Trek Universe has more to draw from.

[Tetsujin]

If you are gona compare ALL of stargate races to just the Federation that is unfair, as they are not one. In order for the comparison to be fair u have to either compare Federation VS SGC or the two universes.
I am not about to go through every race in both Universes would take way to long.

Federation VS SGC = SGC would win, with the asgard weps and shields. pre asgards Federation would win

Ancients Vs The Q Continuum = the Q would win, snap there fingers and ancients are gone.

Goa uld Vs Federation = This would be a hard one, basic unmodified goa uld ships Federation, upgraded Goa
uld...i think they would win

Ori vs Voth ( Dinosaur race that evolved on earth millions of years ago) =i think this would be a close one to hard to tell.

Asgard vs Federation = Asgard would win,

Wraith Vs Federation= Federation would win.

Nox Vs Vulcans= they both wouldnt fight lol.

Tollan Vs Borg= Borg would win, adaptive and mass numbers.

There are many races to add to this list, although the Star Trek Universe has more to draw from.

We are using many different star trek races. As far as argument goes we are shying away from the uber species such as the Borg, Q, Ori and such that are just too ridiculous for comparison. So for the most part we are sticking to the Major Alpha and Beta quadrant species, but the federation just in general is the most explained in most situations since they have the "hero" ships in the shows.

I can ignore the other ones but I would like to see why you believe that the Asgard would beat the Federation? Is there reasoning and evidence behind that or is it just a thought?

Before you even get into this thread there is a heated disagreement between the most recent major debaters in this thread about how to gather evidence. One way(as far as cross universe comparisons go) is to take what we see and apply logic to it in a unbiased universe(in our universe with the limitations of the actual technology not just as portrayed in the show for obvious theatrical purposes) or take the show as it is and ignore inconsistencies to try and keep with how the show portrays it.

So before you reply you should think on how you are comparing ST and SG and make it clear which side you fall on as far as evidence gathering goes.

[darth_timon]

We could always compare ships in terms of looks :-) in which case I give Federation ships the win!

[Tetsujin]

Federation ships to me have the best general aesthetics for the latest ships but I rage about the bridge on deck one nonsense. Lantean sense of aesthetics for ships is also lame.

[darth_timon]

Federation ships to me have the best general aesthetics for the latest ships but I rage about the bridge on deck one nonsense. Lantean sense of aesthetics for ships is also lame.

Sci fi in general seems to have this fascination with exposed bridges- Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5, Stargate... It's one great big exposed bridge party!

[Tetsujin]

Sci fi in general seems to have this fascination with exposed bridges- Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5, Stargate... It's one great big exposed bridge party!

Correction. For the most part its mainly the stupid humans with exposed bridges. Lanteans, Ori, Romulans, Klingon, Systems Comonwealth(Andromeda which is also roddenbery's child), Minbari, Vorlon, etc. Only humans really kept up that stupid practice once space travel begun and sensor technology got to the point where you dont need to see out a window.

I love this one anime/novel called Seikai no Senki(Crest of the Stars) because they did away with windows on their ships entirely because they deemed them meaningless structural weaknesses.

[darth_timon]

It does seem to be a weird human failing. Incidentally, the Honor Harrington novels feature ships inspired by modern naval vessels- the Cnc is nestled deep within the belly of the beast- some seriously impressive beasts too!

[SGSuzi]

I'm not really sure how you can compare stargate ships to Star Trek ones, the. Starters ships are prettier and possibly more advanced as are many of their technologies,but Star Trek is based hundreds/thousands of years after the present time. You have to remember stargate is based in our current time period, in fact it is in the past, heck in the first few seasons of stargate there were still no such things as smart phones, tablets etc in our real life. So it does figure really that the ships are going to before basic and primitive. That's what I. Love about stargate, it is happening now, and could genuinely be happening wight our knowledge and a lot of the technologies are not that far fetched

[Jack_O'Neill]

Not sure but SG ships can destroy fleet of the Federation.

Pyramid ships in the SG can destroy small federation ships (Defiant,Voyager).

"Pegasus" can destroy even ships of Sovereign class.

[Cyclopsis]

Not sure but SG ships can destroy fleet of the Federation.

Pyramid ships in the SG can destroy small federation ships (Defiant,Voyager).

"Pegasus" can destroy even ships of Sovereign class.

I highly doubt a Ha'tak can take down an Intrepid class. Unless they forget to add shields in battles as they do in Every massive Star Trek battle...

[Ouroboros]

Faction vs faction trek would almost always win just because it didn't fail at scale quite as badly as Stargate generally did.

For example the 4 ships that constituted the "Ori invasion of the galaxy" aren't going to do so well against the 15,000+ the Klingons were said to have been fielding at one point in the Dominion war.

With that kind of a ridiculous numbers disparity it wouldn't even matter if the Ori ships were practically immune to Star Trek weapons. The Klingons/Romulans/Federation etc could just fly into their territory enmasse and incinerate their entire civilization.

The only ones that would post more of a problem would be the ones that were spread out all over the galaxy like the Goa'uld, or largely if not fully mobile, like the Wraith.

They all tend to be "evil empires" rife with infighting, backstabbing and personal fiefdoms though, where as the Trek factions for the most part field large organized professional militaries.