Most powerful ship

[thekillman]

neither can do what the oddy can do.

[Buba uognarf]

neither can do what the oddy can do.

Irrelevent as both of them would beat the Odyssesy in fight. The Superhive definately would.

I think a ZPM powered Aurora would man handle the Odyssesy. Atlantis has tons of gadgets and things that the Odyssesy doesn't, its a fight though and both these ships are stronger.

[Mclean]

I find it incredible there are people who think Auroras are these super ships when we've seen an Aurora powered by a ZPM getting owned by 2 Wraith cruisers. Not even hives, but cruisers. Too many people worship the Ancients too much on this board and put them on a pedestal.

When? I don't remember that.

Asuran Auroras = Ancient Auroras

Everything suggests that.

Everything except JM stating in an interview that they are just base copies and inferior to their Ancient counterpart.

[boyd18]

Irrelevent as both of them would beat the Odyssesy in fight. The Superhive definately would.

I think a ZPM powered Aurora would man handle the Odyssesy. Atlantis has tons of gadgets and things that the Odyssesy doesn't, its a fight though and both these ships are stronger.

and you know that for a fact? so basically, 1 superhive equals 4 Ori motherships? because thats what the Oddy can handle, atleast in the case that its shield can survive constant bombardment from 4 Ori motherships for atleast 15 mins...i also guess the superhives weapons pack more power then a coronal mass ejection at point blank range...

just because Atlantis got its butt kicked by the superhive doesn't mean the superhive is uber powerful....the only thing it proves is, Atlantis was never ment to be a battleship....thats why the Ancients built warships...theres also a whole list of reason why Atlantis didn't put up a better fight...

[Buba uognarf]

and you know that for a fact? so basically, 1 superhive equals 4 Ori motherships? because thats what the Oddy can handle, atleast in the case that its shield can survive constant bombardment from 4 Ori motherships for atleast 15 mins...i also guess the superhives weapons pack more power then a coronal mass ejection at point blank range...

Atlantis shields could off 10 Hives + their escorts for days with a single ZPM, thats far more firepower than 4 Ori motherships for 15 minutes so yes the Superhive packs far more punch than the Ori.

All the Deadalus surviving a coronal mass ejection does is elevate Ori weapons to the same sort of level as they can drain those shields. Ori weapons aren't going to be hundreds of times stronger than Wraith weapons judging by their effectiveness on 304 shields so Atlantis still has far stronger shields.

The Odyssesy can't handle 4 motherships, in can sit still and take shots from them for an unknown period of time. In Unending the Odyssesy got pulverized by a couple of Ori motherships when they came at it at once.

just because Atlantis got its butt kicked by the superhive doesn't mean the superhive is uber powerful....the only thing it proves is, Atlantis was never ment to be a battleship....thats why the Ancients built warships...theres also a whole list of reason why Atlantis didn't put up a better fight...

Atlantis has the most powerful shields in the show and the Superhive took it down in minutes something a fleet of other Wraith ships require days to do. Its hull took a full power Asgard plasma beam weapon and took minimal damage, it also withstood a drone assault from Atlantis. Therefore it is uber powerful and would rape the Odyssesy, no question about it.

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

The shield was way down after the planet exploded (one of the toilet lids went up in flames from the explosion) and the shields never bounced back. Other than speculation and the Orion's one large drone salvo what have we seen from auroras?

The shield was down to 50% (33% drop from the planet explosion and possibly one Ori strike just before Orilla went boom, so I know how much it'd gone down) before the planet exploded as few as two hits could have been what brought down the first 17% of Odyssey's shields, if it's more it just means it'll last a little longer, but not much and certainly not enough to hold it's own against 4 of the things in a proper battle if they're shooting to pwn.
Odyssey defeating one Ori ship per each individual battle is all we've ever seen against the Ori.

BTW I've posted a link to the scene in question and one of the Ori ships is not even shown or mentioned to blow up there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbbkgcNCNqM

I'll admit that we've not seen much of the Ancient's Auroras besides Orion and the Traveler's one in action and all times they've been seen they have been able to clear away what threatened them swiftly.

If 304s are as great as you say they are then why would Sam bale out against a one on one battle with a Hive in The Last Man, when she still appeared to have the upper hand, almost full shields and had already struck that Hive once?

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

also as someone else has already mentioned, the was hit by the blast wave from the asgards planet destruction.....so it never really had enough time to recover from that...so like you said, Unending wasn't a clear indication of how many hits the Oddy cant take from the Ori's main weapon...

When do you mean Odyssey didn't have enough to recover from Orilla's destruction during the first battle, as in after the blast wave hit, before Odyssey jumped away?
Or do you mean over the entirety of those few battles coz as I recall the shield was said to be back up and had to drop down to 70% or something, so it did have time to recharge.

also, the advantage the plasma beam weapons have over normal pulse weapons is, they dont actually have to drain a ships shield to destroy it....by firing in rapid succession the Oddy was able to make the Ori shields fluctuate enough to punch through them and score direct hits at the ships hull...so another question is, how strong are a Ori motherships shields since no ships has actually depleted them?

Well we don't know Ori shields aren't actually getting depleted when the beams breach them, we're not told exactly what's happening, we just see the APBWs punch through.
The question of how strong they'd be against a group of say ten O'Neills (revelations and New Order styles) or say 100 Ha'Taks will probably always remain unanswered.

APBWs can actually harm Ori shields, Ori weapons can harm ZPM powered 304 shields and I think this reply of yours was in relation to the 4 Ori ships Vs Odyssey alone, right?
Do you think Odyssey could destroy all of those ships in one sitting?
Where's the evidence that it could do that?
Is it just coz it took an intense pounding in AoT?
Odyssey has never been shown to destroy more than 1 Ori ship in a single battle.

but one thing i noticed is, normal 304's dont seem to fire as fast as the Odyssey...i wonder if thats because of the Odyssey ZPM...

Probably.
I think some have said they think it has more beam weapon arrays.

[Mclean]

and you know that for a fact? so basically, 1 superhive equals 4 Ori motherships? because thats what the Oddy can handle, atleast in the case that its shield can survive constant bombardment from 4 Ori motherships for atleast 15 mins...i also guess the superhives weapons pack more power then a coronal mass ejection at point blank range...

just because Atlantis got its butt kicked by the superhive doesn't mean the superhive is uber powerful....the only thing it proves is, Atlantis was never ment to be a battleship....thats why the Ancients built warships...theres also a whole list of reason why Atlantis didn't put up a better fight...

It must equal more if your statement is correct. They blasted for 15 mins and the shield survived. Yet the Daedalus with 100% shields could only take 6 shots from the superhive (that hadn't fully integrated with the ZPM) before they were crippled. I know the Oddy has a ZPM but it could never stand up to 15 mins of constant bombardment from the superhive.

[lordofseas]

It must equal more if your statement is correct. They blasted for 15 mins and the shield survived. Yet the Daedalus with 100% shields could only take 6 shots from the superhive (that hadn't fully integrated with the ZPM) before they were crippled. I know the Oddy has a ZPM but it could never stand up to 15 mins of constant bombardment from the superhive.

Was it said that the Super Hive had more than one ZPM?

[Mclean]

Was it said that the Super Hive had more than one ZPM?

Yeah it only had one. Todd recovered all 3 from the cloning facility but only used one on the Hive. The other two he gave to Atlantis after the superhive crippled the Daedalus.

[morrismike]

The shield was down to 50% (33% drop from the planet explosion and possibly one Ori strike just before Orilla went boom, so I know how much it'd gone down) before the planet exploded as few as two hits could have been what brought down the first 17% of Odyssey's shields, if it's more it just means it'll last a little longer, but not much and certainly not enough to hold it's own against 4 of the things in a proper battle if they're shooting to pwn.
Odyssey defeating one Ori ship per each individual battle is all we've ever seen against the Ori.

BTW I've posted a link to the scene in question and one of the Ori ships is not even shown or mentioned to blow up there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbbkgcNCNqM

I'll admit that we've not seen much of the Ancient's Auroras besides Orion and the Traveler's one in action and all times they've been seen they have been able to clear away what threatened them swiftly.

If 304s are as great as you say they are then why would Sam bale out against a one on one battle with a Hive in The Last Man, when she still appeared to have the upper hand, almost full shields and had already struck that Hive once?

I remembered there being more than one ori at the asgard planet. I guess there wasn't.

The 304s were absorbing an obscene amount of drone fire in BAMSR and while the shields were failing they seemed ok. The asuran drones didn't seem to have a hard time blowing up ancient drones so there must be a basis for comparison somewhere in their.

Carter fled for the same reason a grown man can chase a lion off its kill with a stick. If Sam ended up with a crippled ship it's over. Those hit and run attacks could have resulted in dozens of kills and to keep up the killing there ship must remain undamaged. It's not like there was another ship to fall back on.

[Giantevilhead]

I already said this in another thread but the Odyssey could just use the time dilation device in the Asgard core to speed up time and they would be able to easily beat any enemy.

They used the time dilation device to speed up time inside the Odyssey by a couple hundred folds in "Unending." All they have to do is extend the field around the entire ship then they could fire off a few thousand shots in a fraction of a second.

[locutes]

Yeah it only had one. Todd recovered all 3 from the cloning facility but only used one on the Hive. The other two he gave to Atlantis after the superhive crippled the Daedalus.

we do not know how much ZPMs he's got, there could be far more!

[thekillman]

buba, you do realise your ignorance, right? the oddy could travel to the far end of the Local Cluster and rebuild an entire civilisation there. no need to just fight. why always gauge power in battle capabilities? and you do too realise that the oddy could use a TDF to tear the superhive in half? just flee from the superhive so it pursues. then in an Unending fashion get behind the ship and engage the TDF, tearing the Superhive in half. drop the TDF, then use the APBW's to blow the remains up.


the oddy also fires MUCH faster than the deadalus, if it fires at a single point it would not take that many shots to break through. why? the few drones atlantis fired made the ship rock. watch Unending for the Oddy's ROF and you know it can blow a big hole in it's armor. not even using the nukes. after all, the thing did not launch darts when fighting atlantis. so the nukes would hit and do tremendous damage. one nuke hitting a normal hive fcks up most of its systems. now, take the Deadalus' barrage and then think of the damage ALL these nukes would do.



tactics.

and if it can not win, beam a bunch of people in the buffer and rebuild elsewhere.

[Mclean]

we do not know how much ZPMs he's got, there could be far more!

We only saw him get presented with 3 in Spoils of War, and as there are no mention of him ever having more, I'm inclined to believe that's all he's ever had.