Death Gliders vs Tanks (M1 Abrams)

[Stewart5]

F15s got no kills the four Migs engaed about 6 and got 2 kills

though on watchin EATG i agree darts are faster and more agile but i still maintain they glider is tougher if not purely due to size thicker armour two wepons as opposed to one.

At first it looks like the f-15s die, but Dude, I watched it on slow mo and the yanks fly in, make 2 kills, and zoom out the screen. Seriously, I was sad enough to check more than once.

[Ed]

i will have to check thing is we haven't seen enugh in EATG darts where going balistic speed which makes them very hard to kill they are a bit like tie interceptors in SW but with crap wepons

[Giantevilhead]

Staff weapons got consistently weaker as the show went on. In the pilot episode, they blew a large hole in a solid stone wall with only a few staff blasts. In the later seasons, people could take a direct staff blast and still survive. Depending on which season you go with, the glider's weapons may or may not be effective against tank armor.

Tanks are going to be obsolete now they have shields and energy weapons. Shields means they don't need armor and energy weapons have little or no recoil so they don't have to be installed on a large bulky vehicle. Although if they still want to stick with the old projectile weapons, they could use inertial dampeners to reduce recoil.

[Stewart5]

i will have to check thing is we haven't seen enugh in EATG darts where going balistic speed which makes them very hard to kill they are a bit like tie interceptors in SW but with crap wepons

True. But in atmo, a glider would be sorely restricted on its speed due to friction, as u no doubt know. Its no where near as aero as a dart is. Its pretty unweilding for atmo fighting, I would imagine

[Laxian of Earth]

an abrahams with a railgun could own an entire squadron of darts.

right in one (change the mounting so the gun can be turned upwards all the way, rip out the propulsion system put in a MarkII Naquada Generator (or two), install a electric engine (or antigrav. technology), and a shield generator for good measure and for the icing on the cake armor it with trinium)

but for the sake of saying it: I would rather construct something new for the SG-Teams rather then outfitt an Abrams frame for my needs! (Antigrav.-Tank - would be nice for ground troops, and with a shield generator able to stop almost all assaults by foot troops)

and for the dart vs. glider discussion:

the glider would win. it is more manouverabe, has two guns (with more power then the one in the dart) and it is a hell of a lot better armored.

proof? the 302's were build to fight gliders, and they can down darts on mass (if they are not outnumbered 3 to one or more as in EATG)

[thekillman]

(if they are not outnumbered 3 to one or more as in EATG)

3 to one? more like 100 to one. i mean,

They are seriously outnumbered. they will never be able to prevent them all from getting through

302's are pretty serious. they were in huge numbers[its earth, hello. mustve been some 30 or more of them] and darts are ALWAYS in huge numbers[an entire empty dartbay for sheppard to be in....]


the outnumbering was serious.

also, whats the point of "it was shot down by small arms"
it was never shot down. Vega or whoever it was, shot at a dart, which had a bit of smoke and raced off. she either hit the culling beam, or it didnt expect soldiers and raced off to deploy hybrids a bit further away to fight their way into the area [so they aint cannon fodder/target practice]

OMG, it smokes, now its downed. BS.

gliders were never really impressive. yes, they were fast in that eppy with the X-301. but hey, it was a hybrid made from TWO gliders. double engine, anyone. and seriously, who wants to HOVER in a BATTLEFIELD. how hard can it be to be hit if you hover?

and darts fit through gates.


an antigrav tank is useless. why? maybe because its an earthbound fighter? gatefighters are much better and much more usefull, and much faster. the reason why it istn that way in RL, is cause
1 you need to get on the ground to actually control something
2 flying is damn expensive due to fuel.

[Stewart5]

proof? the 302's were build to fight gliders, and they can down darts on mass (if they are not outnumbered 3 to one or more as in EATG)

The 302's have plot shields, tho. They go down plenty whe they need us to worry bout a hero, or to set up back storey alright.

[Laxian of Earth]

3 to one? more like 100 to one. i mean,



302's are pretty serious. they were in huge numbers[its earth, hello. mustve been some 30 or more of them] and darts are ALWAYS in huge numbers[an entire empty dartbay for sheppard to be in....]


the outnumbering was serious.

also, whats the point of "it was shot down by small arms"
it was never shot down. Vega or whoever it was, shot at a dart, which had a bit of smoke and raced off. she either hit the culling beam, or it didnt expect soldiers and raced off to deploy hybrids a bit further away to fight their way into the area [so they aint cannon fodder/target practice]

OMG, it smokes, now its downed. BS.

gliders were never really impressive. yes, they were fast in that eppy with the X-301. but hey, it was a hybrid made from TWO gliders. double engine, anyone. and seriously, who wants to HOVER in a BATTLEFIELD. how hard can it be to be hit if you hover?

and darts fit through gates.


an antigrav tank is useless. why? maybe because its an earthbound fighter? gatefighters are much better and much more usefull, and much faster. the reason why it istn that way in RL, is cause
1 you need to get on the ground to actually control something
2 flying is damn expensive due to fuel.

the one in "DUETT" (with the woman's mind in mckays) was downed by Shep with a caliber 50 Machinegun! (no one has ever - i repeat EVER - done something like that to a glider, because it is not possible, as the gliders shrugs it off)

well i wouldn't say it is useless, to the contrairy: Could you fly a Jumper 30 centimeters of the ground and still fight with all it's capabilities? no? well of course not, because you can't manouver and because you can not really use mini-drones that close to your own ship. so that's the gap a tank would fill, even more so as to be able to fight a ground battle you would need to be well armored (which a jumper is not....a goauld staff-cannon could take one out if it hit the window (front one) or the drivepods/drone-storage (if deployed))

greetings LAX

[Stewart5]

the one in "DUETT" (with the woman's mind in mckays) was downed by Shep with a caliber 50 Machinegun! (no one has ever - i repeat EVER - done something like that to a glider, because it is not possible, as the gliders shrugs it off)

well i wouldn't say it is useless, to the contrairy: Could you fly a Jumper 30 centimeters of the ground and still fight with all it's capabilities? no? well of course not, because you can't manouver and because you can not really use mini-drones that close to your own ship. so that's the gap a tank would fill, even more so as to be able to fight a ground battle you would need to be well armored (which a jumper is not....a goauld staff-cannon could take one out if it hit the window (front one) or the drivepods/drone-storage (if deployed))

greetings LAX

Man has a point.

Tho, consistency isn't always TPTB's word of choice......

[thekillman]

have we ever seen our guys fire at a deathglider and hit?

besides: we know that according to the writers, in atlantis we CAN use normally forbidden ammo like shrapnell ones. why else do wraith get mowed down, while normally it took a clip to kill them?

a hovertank is useless. an alkesh, once it can aim properly, is much more usefull. pinpoint bombardment will be much more usefull.

[Stewart5]

have we ever seen our guys fire at a deathglider and hit?

besides: we know that according to the writers, in atlantis we CAN use normally forbidden ammo like shrapnell ones. why else do wraith get mowed down, while normally it took a clip to kill them?

a hovertank is useless. an alkesh, once it can aim properly, is much more usefull. pinpoint bombardment will be much more usefull.

As air support. but the lower it gets to the ground, the less useful it is in the infantry support role.

[thekillman]

a tank is useless. end of discussion.

EDIT: actually, its good as target practice and cannon fodder

[Stewart5]

a tank is useless. end of discussion.

EDIT: actually, its good as target practice and cannon fodder

If teh Jaffa or Wraith could actually hit the braod side of a barn, maybe.
Well, what do u suggest as infantry support in a larger scale fight (lets assume that air support is minimal because the fighters are all tearing chunks out of each other)

[Ed]

a air to ground thing would be best like an apachie but with SG tech sheild can hover dosn't need to be too fast hellfire misiles a big machine gun maybee just lift a 30mm cannon from somewhere maybe even a rail gun or an energy wepon like a travler style one maybe trade a small ship/ help building ships for the tech

[Stewart5]

a air to ground thing would be best like an apachie but with SG tech sheild can hover dosn't need to be too fast hellfire misiles a big machine gun maybee just lift a 30mm cannon from somewhere maybe even a rail gun or an energy wepon like a travler style one maybe trade a small ship/ help building ships for the tech

Somethign to help out the ground pounders, to be sure