x-305?

[Lord Excalibar]

that actually sounds like a good idea.

[ManiacMike]

It couldn't be mounted on a small ship, as to the weight of the gate.

It would have to be in a big ship which would negate any reason to carry it since weapons would be lighter and probably smaller.

The best type of weapon would be like the Asuran satellite.

[stargater1990]

This sounds nuts, but I've always thought it would be cool to use a stargate as a weapons relay on a large ship. Nukes and beam weapons could be fired from an off world base through a gate and come out of a gate mounted on the front or on the sides of a ship. I thought this would reduce the need to carry on board weapons and multiple bases could service a single ship. There's probably an obvious gate travel problem I'm missing here, but I think it would be cool for the x-305.

personally i think it far too problematic to use the gate in such a manner. for one, you would have to remain in about the same spot or else the gate would disconnect and then theres the problem of designing a way to aim the weapons right and since you have to stay in about the same location you wouldnt be able to perform evasive manuvers.

the best way to use the gate is to deliver supplies to the ship in question really fast for extended battles this way you dont have to retreat if you run out of ordinance.

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

thank oyu i can understand wat u were saying before now.

Cool, looking at it after I posted I can see that what I was getting at may not have been all that clear.

Why? BC-304s are currently the most powerful ships in the three galaxies explored by the SGC, save Atlantis, Hiveships, and Ancient Auroras. Even then, we know that a BC-304 can take a Hiveship down with a few well placed shots.

304s are good when used 1 on 1 or in some cases against 2 Hives, now that they have the beam weapons, but anything more than that and their shields just aren't tough enough to be used to assault greater numbers of Hives than just a few.
IMO the risks of the Wraith making it to Earth outweigh the needs of mass producing an exploration or science ships class like the one you've mentioned in a previous post on page 3 of this thread, especially when much of the technology the Tauri uses at the moment is already pretty effective for military purposes and that should be where the Tauri focuses their attention at least as far ships goes.

I feel that, as with all of the X-series craft, any X-305 that they produce should be a technology testbed. Thus, your ideas about it having better power generation, stronger shields, and drone-equivalents shouldn't be too far off the mark. However, it would not be a dedicated battleship.

Well it would be designed with fighting the Wraith in mind.
As the beam weapons are already powerful enough to destroy Hives/Cruisers better defenses and removing the fighters would IMO make it a Warship, you could even shrink down or make better use of the crew quarters in order to allow for the space to carry extra arms or back up Naqueda generators to supplement essential systems in times of need.

It takes roughly a year to get a new BC-304 up and running. If it takes a similar amount of time for these BC-305s, then your plan would take decades to implement, even if you discount the time that would have to go into designing and testing the new ship class.

I knew I should have elaborated about the ship yard thing.
What I should have said was to incorporate the matter conversion technology into mass ship production.
Using raw materials construct the components needed for each vessel with the matter converters, then use transporters to place components where they're needed.
The Asgard had tractor beam technology (used to tow the Prometheus in Unnatural Selection) so maneuvering components into place should be easy.
Assuming the above is not how the Tauri currently makes their ships, adding these processes could serve to drastically reduce ship construction times.
They could even build ships virtually and just beam them out if Thor's Chariot is an accurate representation of how advanced the transporters are and shows the size of objects that can be transported using that technology, plus the matter converter was said by Carter to be an altered version of the that technology in Unending, so I'd assume that large objects can be constructed using the tech.
It may take a few years to build a facility capable of doing the job, but once it was built my plan could be incorporated rather rapidly.

an interstellar fighter has much more potential than a superwarship. also, the asgard equivalent of a drone with a naquahdriah warhead would do terrifying damage. also, its a shielded projectile. check the tech journal on MGM.com/stargate, go to stills, behind the scenes

Even if the Tech Journal is wrong a shielded missile would do a hell of a lot of damage to a Hive and multiple standard explosive missiles (not Nukes) could tear apart a Hive/Cruiser in much the same way a volley of Drones does.
If targeted the dome thing on the underside of a Hive, which I think has been referred to by some on GW as it's hyperdrive engines would explode with a strong enough impact.

[Lord Excalibar]

It couldn't be mounted on a small ship, as to the weight of the gate.

It would have to be in a big ship which would negate any reason to carry it since weapons would be lighter and probably smaller.

The best type of weapon would be like the Asuran satellite.

the gate would be good but u couldnt use it as a weapon unless u were intending to bloww up another sun or detinated it in the middle of the enemy crowd or fleet.

the asuran satillite thats the one that attacked atlantis isnt it?

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

True, but the point of it is so that people don't have to die. I'm sure that if it came down to it, I rather be living with some memory loss than losing my life as an F302 pilot.

Of course slight damage is better than death, but given how sophisticated games consoles are, just adding a subspace link for control would IMO make it as effective as the Neural interface, without the risks.
OK it may not be quite as responsive as the neural interface, but it would be no less so than a fighter pilot in a 302 would be, provided you could simulate sensory things the pilot detects during combat.

Also, just to add. The USA already employs the aerial unmanned drones (Predators). Those drones also uses software along with human interface to pilot those drones. Why not use that?

Sure, its not direct connection, but so are the F302s.

A remote fighter would be cool to see, if that's what you mean.

Also I thought about this last night before I went to bed:

1) Unmanned F302s recreated as drones could be more cost effective

2) Components such as life support systems would not need to be integrated in. This would mean that things like intertial dampners won't be as emphasized thus making room for other technologies (possibly an energy shield or better tech weapons)

3) Smaller ship design (same idea as an Al'kesh attacking a Ha'tak), more manuverable

4) Pilots don't die, skilled pilots keep on living (same case in BSG with the Cylons. When the cylon pilots die, they reserect, whereas the Colonial pilots will die.

Thoughts?

Again a remote fighter, perhaps even shielded if that's possible (which I think it should be) would be very effective used against Darts and other enemy fighters.

[Lord Excalibar]

ori fighters would be a little tough.

[Daedalus Commander]

The 305 would be fitted with a wormholedrive, a timemachine and have a stargate

[Rise Of The Phoenix]

ori fighters would be a little tough.

Why would they be?
As far as maneuverability goes I don't think they were any better than other fighters the 302s have come up against.
I can't remember for sure but did they have shields?

The Ori's followers aren't likely to attack the Tauri or anyone else in the Milky Way unless they're provoked, but after the atrocities they committed serving their 'false gods' I think the last thing they'd want to do is use that technology to harm anyone, especially not those who helped to free them from the Ori's hold.

The 305 would be fitted with a wormholedrive, a timemachine and have a stargate

That would almost make it plot device central.
However you forgot the unlimited Human made Drones, everlasting shields and infinite power generating technology, coupled together with beam weapons that can penetrate pretty much any shield, that are only vulnerable to super tough hull armor.

[aretood2]

Does Earth have the tech to make its own version of the Asuran Gate weapon?

[thekillman]

nope

its hard enough for a 304 to destroy 1 ori mothership and they have 10 times the weapons a fighter does. wat makes u think that a single hyperfighter could destroy an ori fleet.

ha the ignorance.


a hyperfighter is that strong, because it can jump straight past the shields of an ori mothership[scalings say its some 3 km long, so rather easy], and fire a naquahdriah nuke and get the hell out. then the explosion would utterly rape the ori mothership.

for ha'tak, it wont work cause there's simply not enough space. but seeing as doing it on anubis' ship[similar in size to an ori mothership] was possible, an ori ship would work. as to a hive: just jump in the central space [it should be several KM long] and launch your nukes. doing that, you need something like a nuclear pulse engine or a big KNAQ booster to get the hell away from that ship, but hey, it would work. or just jump into hyperspace fast enough.

with other words: the bigger the ship, the easier to jump past and kill it.

[Quadhelix]

304s are good when used 1 on 1 or in some cases against 2 Hives, now that they have the beam weapons, but anything more than that and their shields just aren't tough enough to be used to assault greater numbers of Hives than just a few.

Then wolfpack. Instead of sending a single BC-304 out against one or more Hives, send a pair or even a trio of 304s. Even if the Hives were smart enough to concentrate their fire on a single ship, the presence of multiple ships would allow the Earth forces to take down individual Hives much more rapidly, reducing the Wraith fleet's firepower (and thus the strain on the 304s' shields).

IMO the risks of the Wraith making it to Earth outweigh the needs of mass producing an exploration or science ships class like the one you've mentioned in a previous post on page 3 of this thread, especially when much of the technology the Tauri uses at the moment is already pretty effective for military purposes and that should be where the Tauri focuses their attention at least as far ships goes.

True. That suggestion was mostly based on the frustration at people suggesting bajillion kilometer long megaships with 1000 ZPMs, 100000 F-302s, 5000 Puddle Jumpers, 80000 Asgard Plasma Beams, etc.

In any case, the suggestion was not meant to be mass produced. Hence the "X" in the designation. Generally, only a handful of each X-series aircraft is build, as they are meant as technology testbeds and demonstrators (ex., X-1, X-15, X-29, X-31), not mass production units. Case in point: there was only one X-303, which served as a technology testbed for the equipment that would eventually be used on the BC-304.

Well it would be designed with fighting the Wraith in mind.

Then it would be a BC-305 or F/BC-305, not an X-305 since, as I mentioned, X-series vehicles are not mass produced.

As the beam weapons are already powerful enough to destroy Hives/Cruisers better defenses and removing the fighters would IMO make it a Warship, you could even shrink down or make better use of the crew quarters in order to allow for the space to carry extra arms or back up Naqueda generators to supplement essential systems in times of need.

Interesting point. A smaller heavy escort type of vessel might be of some use.

I am not sure what designation would be given, but it would almost certainly not be an X-305.

What I should have said was to incorporate the matter conversion technology into mass ship production.
Using raw materials construct the components needed for each vessel with the matter converters, then use transporters to place components where they're needed.

Of course, that is only part of the problem. I am not entirely sure where the construction time on the BC-304 comes from, but at least part of it likely comes from the fact that BC-304s require a large crew, the entirety of which must be both highly trained for operating a BC-304 and also let in on the largest secret in the world.

[thekillman]

look this thread is called X-305 because the question is: what would it be. naming it a BC-305 makes it a battlecruiser. unless you make it: 305-what type?, but i think X-305 is better. also, a hyperfighter IMO is the best. as to planetary defence: frame with powersource, shield, and three beam cannons. and an engine to keep it in orbit

[Quadhelix]

look this thread is called X-305 because the question is: what would it be. naming it a BC-305 makes it a battlecruiser. unless you make it: 305-what type?

Yes, but calling it the X-305 answers the question itself: naming the X-305 makes it a technology testbed.

but i think X-305 is better.

For the thread title, not the actual ship designation.

also, a hyperfighter IMO is the best. as to planetary defence: frame with powersource, shield, and three beam cannons. and an engine to keep it in orbit

Perhaps, but that could be filled by the F/B-302A instead of the F/B-305. Replace the rocket booster with a Tel'Tac's hyperdrive (widening the airframe in the process, of course), add in another pair of engines, lengthen the wings and add in an extra 4-5 hardpoints along each, and swap out the F-302's four standard missile hardpoints with a pair of hardpoints for Mk.IX-tipped missiles (of course, those hardpoints could be used for smaller missiles instead). While widening the central hull area, it might also be a good idea to fit enough room for a shield generator.

[Crazy Tom]

While were here, the 302 has an exceptionaly terrible air frame. It's ridiculously unstable, and less than perfectly aerodynamic, could we not create a top secret variant of the F-22 using the same technologies used on the 302 and get a far better fghter out of the deal? For planetary defense at least.