What can beat the Andromeda Ascendant?

[Mister Oragahn]

Wow, that was real impressive... 'Voila.' That the best rebuttal you can suggest? Do we understand it completely? No, but what we do understand is consistent with the Theory which continues to evolve even today. Soo. Since you're obviously more intelligent than Einstein and others, perhapes you'd care to enlighten us, why as we approach the speed of light, that time slows? Or how we can see stars that should be 'behind' our sun during a solar eclipse? Comon on! Spit out! Otherwise don't cop out by claiming it's a 'theoretical concept' that 'voila's' things into existence.

Stop yapping. The theories only highlight the existence of phenomena which occur according to the presence of other parameters. They utterly fail at explaining how they exactly even occur. They just say it does when A and B are there. Patterns, if you want.
Nothing precluses these phenomena to be manifestations of forces which we know **** about. It's just that open ended, like it or not.

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

Umm...that's no argument against them...you just said they work...

And the theories which say what happens need not be the theories that say how either, Mr. Oragahn. At least in Physics.


And it was just 'gravitons' last I looked Tom.

[Mister Oragahn]

Umm...that's no argument against them...you just said they work...

And the theories which say what happens need not be the theories that say how either, Mr. Oragahn. At least in Physics.

Did I even say they needed to say how it happened?
I'm just saying that with our extremely limited view on what governs the universe, no matter how I enjoy science over crackpot, I clearly don't see why I can't think theoretically and speculate based on what has already been noticed elsewhere.
And if we waited on scientists to be open minded...

[Lt. Col. Mcoy]

I actually forgot what you said in the first place...

[_Famrir_]

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[NoobTau'ri]

What can beat the Andromeda Ascendant? Auroras as they were originally described in canon. They were supposed to these uber ships that could scortch the entire surface of planets in minutes and destroy entire fleets of hives with almost no effort, and with shields so strong that they could resist the explosion of a supernova on point blank. Auroras were nerfed down so dramatically in the show that it is ridiculous. They are barely more powerful than Wraith cruisers, and not a match for even second-tier Asgard warships. Besides non-nerfed Auroras, the other ship that could take out the Andromeda Ascendant are Protoss Motherships. They can open black holes, so it would swallow the Andromeda and that would be the end of it.

[Gelasius]

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[Crazy Tom]

Alright, i got something:

The Royal Manticoran Navy ship Hexapuma.

Powered Missile Envelope: 29 000 000 km
Acceleration: 600 Gs

Specs:
- 40 of bore launch capable ELS missile tubes total (20 each brodaside, capabel of firing bomb pumped warheads and various EW an ECM platforms)
- 2 grasers + 3 lasers forward chase armamenet
- 16 capital grade lasers (8 each brodside)
- numerous counter missile tubes
- coumter missile canisters
- decoys
- best EW and ECM in known space
- laser point defense
- sidewall (gravity stress fields capable of altering the trajectory of laser pulses)
- impeler bands (impenetrable part of teh propulsion system, extend above and below the ship)
- armor

[Ouroboros]

Alright, i got something:

The Royal Manticoran Navy ship Hexapuma.

Powered Missile Envelope: 29 000 000 km
Acceleration: 600 Gs

Specs:
- 40 of bore launch capable ELS missile tubes total (20 each brodaside, capabel of firing bomb pumped warheads and various EW an ECM platforms)
- 2 grasers + 3 lasers forward chase armamenet
- 16 capital grade lasers (8 each brodside)
- numerous counter missile tubes
- coumter missile canisters
- decoys
- best EW and ECM in known space
- laser point defense
- sidewall (gravity stress fields capable of altering the trajectory of laser pulses)
- impeler bands (impenetrable part of teh propulsion system, extend above and below the ship)
- armor

That's from the honorverse right?

Yeah I brought these up before as possible contenders myself but I got told they're too slow and the weaponry doesn't really measure up very well against the Andromeda's. I don't know much about honorverse at all so I couldn't really argue the point. If this ship is capped at 600gs accelleration though then they would be right about the "to slow" at least, though the missile range seems nice.

How fast are the missiles? That's going to be a key determining factor in if they'll be viable or not.

This definately looks like one of the more promising contenders so far at least. You can tell just by looking at that breakdown that somebody actually put more thought into making it a viable space combatant as oppossed to something that generates exciting whiz bang fx shots.

Even if it can't beat the Andromeda it'll still have the Daedalus to beat up on.

[Crazy Tom]

That's from the honorverse right?

Yeah I brought these up before as possible contenders myself but I got told they're too slow and the weaponry doesn't really measure up very well against the Andromeda's. I don't know much about honorverse at all so I couldn't really argue the point. If this ship is capped at 600gs accelleration though then they would be right about the "to slow" at least, though the missile range seems nice.

How fast are the missiles? That's going to be a key determining factor in if they'll be viable or not.

This definately looks like one of the more promising contenders so far at least. You can tell just by looking at that breakdown that somebody actually put more thought into making it a viable space combatant as oppossed to something that generates exciting whiz bang fx shots.

Even if it can't beat the Andromeda it'll still have the Daedalus to beat up on.

Lol, I'm not usre on teh aceleration rates, since they can be tailored to enhance endurance. But they usualy take minuites to reach their target. Also the 600g figure may be a lower end figure, as standard aceleration is 80% of full.

Also, ithe x-ray pulses from it's laser heads, are describes as being able to shatteer armor (shatter, not ment).

Do Andromedan missilles cary ECM/EW?

[Rudy Pena]

Lol, I'm not usre on teh aceleration rates, since they can be tailored to enhance endurance. But they usualy take minuites to reach their target. Also the 600g figure may be a lower end figure, as standard aceleration is 80% of full.

Also, ithe x-ray pulses from it's laser heads, are describes as being able to shatteer armor (shatter, not ment).

Do Andromedan missilles cary ECM/EW?

Yes she does.

[Crazy Tom]

Yes she does.

Not the ship, her missiles.

[Rudy Pena]

Not the ship, her missiles.

Oh, IDK right now adn too frakin lazy to look it up.

[Ouroboros]

Lol, I'm not usre on teh aceleration rates, since they can be tailored to enhance endurance. But they usualy take minuites to reach their target. Also the 600g figure may be a lower end figure, as standard aceleration is 80% of full.

Also, ithe x-ray pulses from it's laser heads, are describes as being able to shatteer armor (shatter, not ment).

Do Andromedan missilles cary ECM/EW?

From my recollection they don't, but they could have drones escorting them that do. I think their main defense against interception comes from a combination of small size, extremely high speeds, evasive actions, and sheer numbers.

[Crazy Tom]

From my recollection they don't, but they could have drones escorting them that do. I think their main defense against interception comes from a combination of small size, extremely high speeds, evasive actions, and sheer numbers.

The reason I ask is becasue most of the missiles that miss in the Honoverse are casualties of ECM/EW. Through the drones offset things slightly, i think mantcoran electronic warfare would be capable of knocking off a significant number of incoming missiles. COuntermissiles would be better suited againt Strike Arrows and other larger, anti ship ordinince.

Another thing to sonsider is the impenetrable impeler wedge of Honoverse ships, which makes hiting one very hard without laser warheads. Which Andromeda doesn't have.

Also, since Andromeda's warheads are contact RKVs, they leave a lot more time for point defense and EW to take them out, as they have to close the distance between ships, and unlike laser heads, are not proximity bombs.

The question is, can the Hexapuma reach the Andromeda with her MDMs? Consideribng that the faster they burn (higher aceleration) the faster they wear oout.