How about a boamer that can be launced form a 304

[peragrin]

On one hand, this is correct. The 302s are interceptors, and lack the long range capacity of bombers. Long range, in that case, being their own hyperdrive.
I don't know why people keep pretending they kept the hyperdrives on, the last time a 302 used one was before they were even started to be rolled out en masse and even modified later on, for example to incorporate machine guns.

That 302's still have hyperdrive is my all time favorite fanwank. The preproduction prototype had one, The first one off of the assembly line had one(Jack used to to bypass Annubis's shields.) Then The Prometheus was built. All three vessels used the small sample of naquadriah that Jonas Quinn stole. After that the SGC never got anymore. Just How much is left for a fleet of fighters? Most of it would have been used up by the Prometheus. which promptly blew up. no more naquadriah, no more hyperdrives for 302's.

[jonos101]

Hmm wonder why that is...



What, no. The fact they can see it all the time shows us that beaming range is about the same as visual range. If it was on the other side of an asteroid or something beaming might still work but it wouldn't work if the enemy ship was so far away it shrunk to a tiny speck in the distance.



Evidently it's the case because Wraith jamming blocks their attacks entirely. If they could just beam the nuke onto the surface of the hull it wouldn't really be the big problem that it's shown to be now would it.



Read that bit again, the whole thing this time.



This is just wrong. How many times did O'neill call back to ask Hammond if it was ok to shoot that Jaffa. Yes they get mission instruction but once they've got those they are allowed to use their own initiative.



Oh brother, because it's two different things with two different roles and different strengths and weaknessess. That's like saying there's no point in having infantry because tanks carry more ordnance.



You keep coming back to this idea that it's some kind of either or with the beaming tech or the bombers. Why is it an either or? Beaming tech doesn't seem to hardly take up any space at all. Hell, you might even be able to put beaming tech on the bombers!



But then you've got an entire 304 sitting there instead of just a few bombers.



VTOL, just like the 302s already have.


No, just, no. I'm going to assume now that all your knowledge of things like this comes from action movies and video games.



So she was clearly done in by pure American socery then.



Beaming tech is not particularly effective as a weapon at all. The only reason it worked so dramatically well against the Wraith was because they didn't use shields, a weakness they closed very rapidly. Everyone elses uses shields.

since when do 302's have VTOL

[Ouroboros]

since when do 302's have VTOL

Watch them escort the Hivequeens shuttle down in allies, they hover.

[Ouroboros]

On one hand, this is correct. The 302s are interceptors, and lack the long range capacity of bombers. Long range, in that case, being their own hyperdrive.
I don't know why people keep pretending they kept the hyperdrives on, the last time a 302 used one was before they were even started to be rolled out en masse and even modified later on, for example to incorporate machine guns.
As such, the ship that will do the bombing is the 304.

But, on another end, if you look at the size of the gatebusters fired from the Horizon MIRV, they, without a doubt, easily fit under a 302's wings, and there's also no doubt that a 302 could carry low gigaton level nukes out on a mission.
As bombers, they're fairly limited, and could only be used to attack a target from different angles (planet, base, etc.) while the 304 makes circles and nukes the target and fires beams, railguns etc. (railguns were seen having a good accuracy over orbital ranges in The Game I think).

You could use the 302 as a sort of dive bomber analog yes, I'd actually love to see this. They have small enough nukes as you pointed out for for some reason they don't seem to want to use them this way. Sure they wouldn't be carring the dozen plus missiles I'd want a dedicated bomber to fire but even 2 each would be better than nothing.

It probably wouldn't work as well against the Wraith because they just use so many fighters but it would have worked great against the Ori. Their ships don't have a very heavy fighter wing but they do have giant deathcannons that are a real danger to a 304. If you attack them at stand off range with dive bomber style 302s you can avoid the deathcannon instead of trying to go toe to toe with it.

It would also have worked great against the Asurans asuming they continued to forget they had drones. They didn't even use fighters at all and aside from the drones they constantly forgot about had no viable point defence weapon. You could have nuke bombed their shields nonstop while they impotently tried to close to "fire glowing ****" range.

About beaming ranges, it seems the Goa'uld, or particularily Anubis, outclassed the Asgards, or at least the interpretation of asgard tech through a 304.
Osiris, after all, could beam from Earth to a small ship parked behind the moon iirc.
Comparatively, earth beaming ranges are always, at best, orbital ranges, though there's a lack of consistency on beaming range, terms thrown by the writers without realizing that it comes at a moment when the target, which contains the people to beam up, is located a few kms away at best.

Power limitation maybe, or didn't Osiris have some sort of locator beacon on her all the time that she could press to beam away? It's entirely possible that having a locator beacon for the beaming sensors to lock onto would greatly increase the potential range. Baal pulled a similar stunt with his clones only in his case he combined a bunch of beacons together to overcome SGC jamming and let him beam out through it.

[Mister Oragahn]

I think that SG-1 and Bra'tac, when they had those beacons, were beamed out by a Daedalus which was also in "ridiculously small beaming range sir".

Well, let me see...

EMERSON: Colonel Mitchell. Colonel Carter this is Emerson, come in… what's your status.

MITCHELL: *grabs radio* beam us on board.

MARKS: Enemy ships have detected our presence…moving into range.

MITCHELL: You should have four beacons transmitting. *Bra'tac looks at him* I planted one on you earlier. Just in case…

EMERSON: do it. *They are beamed aboard just as the Mothership impacts the Ori shield, blowing to pieces the Ori ship sustaining no damage.*

Just how many chances that this "range" refers to something else than beaming range?
Unless the 304 had something usable against Ori ships back in the first half of s10?
Maybe... huh, maybe there was some kind of jamming going on, and SG-1's signal barely made it through?

[Ouroboros]

I think that SG-1 and Bra'tac, when they had those beacons, were beamed out by a Daedalus which was also in "ridiculously small beaming range sir".

Well, let me see...



Just how many chances that this "range" refers to something else than beaming range?
Unless the 304 had something usable against Ori ships back in the first half of s10?
Maybe... huh, maybe there was some kind of jamming going on, and SG-1's signal barely made it through?

The Ha'tak's shields were up weren't they? They were up when it hit the Ori ship.

[Mister Oragahn]

Could be what disrupted the signal. I was surprised that the mere presence of a beacon was enough to beam someone out, while before, only holograms could pass through shields iirc (Revelations).
Maybe that's that.

In Intruder, I think the beaming range was much greater.