How about a boamer that can be launced form a 304

[Tupopoflungo]

When you can fit several MK9's in that little missile they used in first strike a bomber's not only a good idea, not having one is an offense of stupidty that should be punished by immediate spacing. Par for the course for Sg militaries.

You would probably need a new ship class to really take advantage of them though. The 304 carrier capacity is more of a burdonsome afterthought and only has enough room for a handful of 302 fighters, you'd almost certainly want or need your bombers to be bigger than those.

How is it an afterthought if it is classified as a DSC-304, which translates to DEEP SPACE CARRIER-304

FLIGHT DECK
The Daedalus possesses a complete compliment of F-302 fighter craft. Though the ship has two hangar bays all of the fighters occupy the starboard flight deck, perhaps meaning that the port deck serves as a re-entry bay when a skirmish must end quickly. Asgard shields can extend around the hangar doors in the event the flight deck is occupied while decompression procedures are scheduled to commence.(Gateworld omnipedia for Daedulus)

A Complete Compliment is more than just a handful of 302s...

For all of you questioning why you would want bombers when you already have wankbeams and teleporters look at the combat in Sg verse. All of it takes place from spitting distance. You don't even need FTL bombers, just launch your nuclear bombers from a few million km away and nobody else is going to be able to retaliate with their lame ass blob guns. If they try and charge at you to get in range just turn and run in the other direction while launching more bombers.

There's a reason carriers replaced battleships.

What does distance matter with beaming tech? Except for distance range to beam, which I assume is fairly far, considering that it plucked sheppard out of a 302 that was going full burn away from the Deaddy for a good 2-3 minutes...

also, Bombers have to launch from a distance, they can't "Plant" a bomb like a beam could, even if you couldn't beam it inside a ship, like the wraith jamming tech, you could beam it near enough to the surface not to be intercepted, which would be dramatically close. But attempt to get a bomber there and it will be shot down.

Also! Why take the chance that the bomber will be shot down when you could just beam it where you want it to go...you cannot shoot down a beam...

You would probably need a new ship class to really take advantage of them though.

And a final note, This thread is talking about a bomber that you can launch from a -304....not one that would need a new class...try to keep up...

[a6346]

The SGC does need some newer types of ship but not the big brlliant 10km long battleships everyone wants. shiptypes needed:

Destroyer: something that can float in planetary atmosphere specifically designed to detroy fighter support would be an invaluable asset when defending a planet from dart attack arm it with 6-10 railguns 4 conventional missle launchers shields and hyperdrive. 1/4 the size of a bc-304

Assault ship: a ship designed to covertly drop troops onto a planet with a asard transporter should have a medium range interstella engine, 4 railguns, cloak, shields, 30-40 soldier capacity and be able to fit onto a bc-304 for intergalatic transport. wont be as big so easy to produce and means we dont risk a bigger ship engaging enemy capital ships. 1/8 the size of a bc-304

Recon ship: a ship designed to be fast stealthy and have great sensors. should be fitted with advanced long range and short range sensors, cloak, intergalactic engine, 3 railguns and a beam weapon. 1/6 the size of a bc-304

Short range bomber: a ship designed to attach itself to a bc-304 for intergalactic flight and be deploy just out of sensor range of an enemy strong hold. Cloak, 6 rails, 4 conventional missle tubes, interstella engine, asgard transporter, shields, 1 horizon bomb bay. alkesh size

They should also make some newer weapons and fittings to go with the ships some kind of ARW in the form of a bomb, a shielded nuke missle, make atachment pilons on a bc-304 for the smaller ships to go on, a deployable shield that can be fired from orbit to protect ground troops for example when someones going to assault through the gate drop it just infornt of it and theyve just got a beachhead, And ofcourse a logistics pod that can be dropped out of a horizon bay loaded with ammo water medical supplies ect for troops stranded on the ground or in a long battle/means the bc wont have to be distrated on getting supplis to them.

These would be more useful and less risky instead of sending a highly valuable bc-304 into a dangerous mission these ships require less resources and man powerand do the same job im not saying get rid of the bc-304 just redesign the fleet bc-304 for anti capship destroyer for anti-dart,glider,ori fighter. recon ships can cloak so wouldnt risk a bc just to take some pictures of the enemy when they cant cloak, bomber to assit ground forces when the bc is tide up with cap ships.

TBH thats all the fleet needs then all roles will have been filled. Maybe add somesort of stealthy frigate capable of cloaking/phasing to get close enought to its target (hive) then decloak fire 10 nukes when only 1/2km away from it then cloak/phase.

[Tupopoflungo]

The SGC does need some newer types of ship but not the big brlliant 10km long battleships everyone wants. shiptypes needed:

Destroyer: something that can float in planetary atmosphere specifically designed to detroy fighter support would be an invaluable asset when defending a planet from dart attack arm it with 6-10 railguns 4 conventional missle launchers shields and hyperdrive. 1/4 the size of a bc-304

Assault ship: a ship designed to covertly drop troops onto a planet with a asard transporter should have a medium range interstella engine, 4 railguns, cloak, shields, 30-40 soldier capacity and be able to fit onto a bc-304 for intergalatic transport. wont be as big so easy to produce and means we dont risk a bigger ship engaging enemy capital ships. 1/8 the size of a bc-304

Recon ship: a ship designed to be fast stealthy and have great sensors. should be fitted with advanced long range and short range sensors, cloak, intergalactic engine, 3 railguns and a beam weapon. 1/6 the size of a bc-304

Short range bomber: a ship designed to attach itself to a bc-304 for intergalactic flight and be deploy just out of sensor range of an enemy strong hold. Cloak, 6 rails, 4 conventional missle tubes, interstella engine, asgard transporter, shields, 1 horizon bomb bay. alkesh size

They should also make some newer weapons and fittings to go with the ships some kind of ARW in the form of a bomb, a shielded nuke missle, make atachment pilons on a bc-304 for the smaller ships to go on, a deployable shield that can be fired from orbit to protect ground troops for example when someones going to assault through the gate drop it just infornt of it and theyve just got a beachhead, And ofcourse a logistics pod that can be dropped out of a horizon bay loaded with ammo water medical supplies ect for troops stranded on the ground or in a long battle/means the bc wont have to be distrated on getting supplis to them.

These would be more useful and less risky instead of sending a highly valuable bc-304 into a dangerous mission these ships require less resources and man powerand do the same job im not saying get rid of the bc-304 just redesign the fleet bc-304 for anti capship destroyer for anti-dart,glider,ori fighter. recon ships can cloak so wouldnt risk a bc just to take some pictures of the enemy when they cant cloak, bomber to assit ground forces when the bc is tide up with cap ships.

TBH thats all the fleet needs then all roles will have been filled. Maybe add somesort of stealthy frigate capable of cloaking/phasing to get close enought to its target (hive) then decloak fire 10 nukes when only 1/2km away from it then cloak/phase.

The term is interstellar not interstella...

[a6346]

The term is interstellar not interstella...

lol
well if thats the only part of my post you can criticise then its a good post

and just for you im going to keep typing interstella.

[Ouroboros]

How is it an afterthought if it is classified as a DSC-304, which translates to DEEP SPACE CARRIER-304

It's an afterthought because when was the last time you saw them kill something with launched fighters as oppossed to wank beams or nuclear missiles. I don't really care what they try to call it it's more of a cruiser/battleship than a carrier. The fighters are an afterthought not it's main offensive weapon.

A Complete Compliment is more than just a handful of 302s...

Leaving aside for the moment that the gateworld omnipedia is just written by fans how many are in a "full compliment"? You're assuming it's some large number but the most 302s I can ever remember seeing launched from any Earth ship was the small number the Prometheus launched against the Ori satellite. I can't even remember a 304 launching that many.

What does distance matter with beaming tech? Except for distance range to beam, which I assume is fairly far, considering that it plucked sheppard out of a 302 that was going full burn away from the Deaddy for a good 2-3 minutes...

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you trying to say beaming tech has an effectively unlimited range because we've seen them have to move into "beaming range" plenty of times and "beaming range" was (as far as I can remember) always the same thing as "visual range".

also, Bombers have to launch from a distance, they can't "Plant" a bomb like a beam could, even if you couldn't beam it inside a ship, like the wraith jamming tech, you could beam it near enough to the surface not to be intercepted, which would be dramatically close. But attempt to get a bomber there and it will be shot down.

And beaming can be jammed as we've seen. Yes bombers can be shot down but that's just reality. Nothing you're going to be able to come up with will be 100% successful 100% of the time and that's a ridiculous standard to aim for. If you don't want your bombers to be shot down as easily you escort them with 302s, just like in real life. Sure it won't protect them from anti fighter weapons on the target ship but that's where crazy sci-fi concepts like pilot skill come into play. Sg verse ships don't even really mount anti figher weapons anyway.

Also! Why take the chance that the bomber will be shot down when you could just beam it where you want it to go...you cannot shoot down a beam...

-Because beaming can be jammed rendering it useless
-Because beaming doesn't have potentially system spanning ranges
-Because beaming can't operate autonomously from the mothership
-Because beaming can't find it's own targets
-Because beaming can't be used to attack multiple targets at once
-Because beaming can't be left in ambush
-Because beaming can't be redeployed to a different base
-Because beaming requires you to place the mothership in enemy weapons range
-Because beaming is wanky and cheap and bombers and fun and cool

And a final note, This thread is talking about a bomber that you can launch from a -304....not one that would need a new class...try to keep up...

"probably need" is not the same thing as "must have" ace so how about you try to keep up with the English language before you start trying to be clever. You'll "probably need" one to fully take advantage of the concept because the 304 is not really a dedicated carrier. You can however jam bombers into it regardless, you just won't be able to fit as many in it as you would in a dedicated carrier ship the same size.

I doubt, for example, that the small number of bombers a 304 could hold would be anything more than an annoyance for something like a hiveships dart screen. That hardly invalidates the concept though.

[Tupopoflungo]

It's an afterthought because when was the last time you saw them kill something with launched fighters as oppossed to wank beams or nuclear missiles. I don't really care what they try to call it it's more of a cruiser/battleship than a carrier. The fighters are an afterthought not it's main offensive weapon.

Um, how about in the siege? they launch the fighters...

Leaving aside for the moment that the gateworld omnipedia is just written by fans how many are in a "full compliment"? You're assuming it's some large number but the most 302s I can ever remember seeing launched from any Earth ship was the small number the Prometheus launched against the Ori satellite. I can't even remember a 304 launching that many.

I can think of many more being launched from Prometheus during the Battle over Antarctica...

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you trying to say beaming tech has an effectively unlimited range because we've seen them have to move into "beaming range" plenty of times and "beaming range" was (as far as I can remember) always the same thing as "visual range".

I was not saying it had unlimited range, read my post again, you will see that I said it had SIGNIFICANT distance, and gave an example of it being used at a pretty significant distance. While, Yes, we have had to move into "Beaming Range" several times in the series, the range is still fairly significant.

And beaming can be jammed as we've seen. Yes bombers can be shot down but that's just reality. Nothing you're going to be able to come up with will be 100% successful 100% of the time and that's a ridiculous standard to aim for. If you don't want your bombers to be shot down as easily you escort them with 302s, just like in real life. Sure it won't protect them from anti fighter weapons on the target ship but that's where crazy sci-fi concepts like pilot skill come into play. Sg verse ships don't even really mount anti figher weapons anyway.

The beaming was only being jammed from beaming INSIDE the ship, it was never attempted near the surface, as you should know, Wraith Hives do not have shields. therefore, how far exactly does their "jamming range" extend? They are not sending a signal that is preventing us from beaming at all...that would require direct access to the beaming technology system.

-Because beaming can be jammed rendering it useless

see above

-Because beaming doesn't have potentially system spanning ranges

No, but I suppose that we cannot just send a -304 where it needs to go, something that has been battle tested, has decent shield power, and the ability to drop the nuke wherever.

-Because beaming can't operate autonomously from the mothership

Technically, neither could the pilots of the bomber's though, after all, they would just be subordinates to the commander of the "Mothership" as you call it.

-Because beaming can't find it's own targets

No, but beaming would have more ordinance availiable than a bomber, considering the storage space availiable aboard a -304...

-Because beaming can't be used to attack multiple targets at once

At once? No. In rapid succession? Yes.

-Because beaming can't be left in ambush

not sure what you are saying here...I'm pretty sure we wouldn't leave a bomber either, you know, because there are people aboard it...

-Because beaming can't be redeployed to a different base

what does redeployment have to do with this?

-Because beaming requires you to place the mothership in enemy weapons range

Not always, and even then, our shields are more than capable of handling a few moments of firepower while we beam a nuke somewhere...considering it takes...but a few seconds...

-Because beaming is wanky and cheap and bombers and fun and cool

What the heck does "wanky" mean anyway. And personally, I find the ability to put anything somewhere in a second, much faster than sending out a ship to do the task, I think beaming is "Fun and cool" and having new ships would just be counter-productive to our fight against the enemy. Why fix what is not broken?

"probably need" is not the same thing as "must have" ace so how about you try to keep up with the English language before you start trying to be clever. You'll "probably need" one to fully take advantage of the concept because the 304 is not really a dedicated carrier. You can however jam bombers into it regardless, you just won't be able to fit as many in it as you would in a dedicated carrier ship the same size.

And what would a dedicated carrier ship be? A big box that just holds the bombers, something along the design of the Vogon's ship from the Hitchhiker's movie? i suppose that would complete the functionality you are looking for. of course, that design would not be "fun and cool" like you expect everything to be...

Also, the -304 not being a "dedicated carrier" is your opinion, it was designed as a carrier. It is named Carrier. and it Carries....pretty much defines "Dedicated carrier" to me...

I doubt, for example, that the small number of bombers a 304 could hold would be anything more than an annoyance for something like a hiveships dart screen. That hardly invalidates the concept though.

Here you have proved my point of the bomber's being too likely to be shot down.

[Ouroboros]

Um, how about in the siege? they launch the fighters...

And how many hiveships did the fighters destroy again?

I can think of many more being launched from Prometheus during the Battle over Antarctica...

And how many Ha'taks did they destroy again?

I was not saying it had unlimited range, read my post again, you will see that I said it had SIGNIFICANT distance, and gave an example of it being used at a pretty significant distance. While, Yes, we have had to move into "Beaming Range" several times in the series, the range is still fairly significant.

And yet they can always see the thing they're beaming to. In terms of space warfare that visual range type combat is spitting distance.

The beaming was only being jammed from beaming INSIDE the ship, it was never attempted near the surface, as you should know, Wraith Hives do not have shields. therefore, how far exactly does their "jamming range" extend? They are not sending a signal that is preventing us from beaming at all...that would require direct access to the beaming technology system.

Jamming doesn't just magically stop at some invisible line. It would gradually taper off in intensity as you got farther away from the hiveship. Evidently it's still strong enough to prevent any sort of close in beaming attack as well.

No, but I suppose that we cannot just send a -304 where it needs to go, something that has been battle tested, has decent shield power, and the ability to drop the nuke wherever.

A bomber type ship could coast for effectively forever after it was launched giving it a theoretically unlimited range. In reality the practical effective range would of course be less due to a wide variety of factors but ranges far far in excess of the typical visual ranges of missiles and railguns would be almost inevitable.

Technically, neither could the pilots of the bomber's though, after all, they would just be subordinates to the commander of the "Mothership" as you call it.

That's not the case at all. They're not going to need to call back and ask for orders for everything they do any more than an SG team would on the ground. You assign a squadren leader, give them a general mission outline and let them go to it.

No, but beaming would have more ordinance availiable than a bomber, considering the storage space availiable aboard a -304...

Yes, and a battleship has more ordinace available than an jet fighter.

At once? No. In rapid succession? Yes.

So it's infearior then...

not sure what you are saying here...I'm pretty sure we wouldn't leave a bomber either, you know, because there are people aboard it...

You could drop off a squadren of bombers at a location where you expected an enemy ship to arrive to ambush it the same way you would ambush an enemy with ground forces. I'm not saying it would be a common use but it's certainly a possible one. An enemy ship is far less likely to notice a dozen small bombers powered down on a moon or something as opposed to a 304 sitting there.

what does redeployment have to do with this?

It's a point in favour of versatility. Creating a bomber type design would let you simply station wings of them at places like Atlantis to bulk up defences further. If the bobmers were large enough to have their own FTL drive like a cargoship you could set up small airbases all over both galaxies to launch them as well.

Not always, and even then, our shields are more than capable of handling a few moments of firepower while we beam a nuke somewhere...considering it takes...but a few seconds...

If it's not being jammed. Beaming is a gimmick. It's 100% effective until it's jammed then it's 100% ineffective. Nothing the enemy will be able to do will make bomber attacks 100% ineffective, even massive amounts of air defence. There's no magic technological offswitch like there is with beaming where once you figure out how to jam it it's completely ineffective.

And what would a dedicated carrier ship be? A big box that just holds the bombers, something along the design of the Vogon's ship from the Hitchhiker's movie? i suppose that would complete the functionality you are looking for. of course, that design would not be "fun and cool" like you expect everything to be...

Ok the fun and cool thing was a joke but yes a big hollow box of stacked flight decks would be a pretty good design for a space carrier.

Also, the -304 not being a "dedicated carrier" is your opinion, it was designed as a carrier. It is named Carrier. and it Carries....pretty much defines "Dedicated carrier" to me...

Well then can I just call it a lousy carrier because a carrier that carries fighters that can't actually kill anything other than other fighters certainly isn't a good one.

Here you have proved my point of the bomber's being too likely to be shot down.

So since SG team members are potentially likely to get shot while on missions I guess we should stop using them and just rely on teleporters for that to?

[Randar]

I would just like to note that the 304 is something i like to call a "Battle Carrier"

being something of a Battleship, with a use as a carrier, now, F-302s have never been used for bombing i think mostly because the 304 can do most combat ops on its own. and while i don't remember the episode, it is mentioned that the F-302 might be armed with nukes or some other high power missile.

there was also the case of the F-302 that attacked Anubis's Supership, i am fairly certain that ship was armed with another type of missile for that attack then for Anti-Fighter use

shall we consider that an F-302 might be used as a bomber if you arm it the right way?

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I do not remember the episodes, but i think the Prometheus is stated to be able to carry 8 fighters, and the 304 stated to be able to carry "twice as many as the Prometheus."

[FN-P90]

I would just like to note that the 304 is something i like to call a "Battle Carrier"

being something of a Battleship, with a use as a carrier, now, F-302s have never been used for bombing i think mostly because the 304 can do most combat ops on its own. and while i don't remember the episode, it is mentioned that the F-302 might be armed with nukes or some other high power missile.

there was also the case of the F-302 that attacked Anubis's Supership, i am fairly certain that ship was armed with another type of missile for that attack then for Anti-Fighter use

shall we consider that an F-302 might be used as a bomber if you arm it the right way?

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I do not remember the episodes, but i think the Prometheus is stated to be able to carry 8 fighters, and the 304 stated to be able to carry "twice as many as the Prometheus."

Actully 302s have been used for bombing. This is shown in The Road Not Taken when on a televison broadcast Carter becomes ngry because Pres. Landry used 302s to bomb Irish rebels in Northern Ierland

And on the note of the 302 cappacity i think a Daedalus-class battlecruiser can hold up to 16 fighters but i am not sure.

[Tupopoflungo]

And how many hiveships did the fighters destroy again?

They were not sent after the hiveships

And how many Ha'taks did they destroy again?

they we're not sent after the ha'taks

And yet they can always see the thing they're beaming to. In terms of space warfare that visual range type combat is spitting distance.

Just because they can see it does not mean it has to be seen...

Jamming doesn't just magically stop at some invisible line. It would gradually taper off in intensity as you got farther away from the hiveship. Evidently it's still strong enough to prevent any sort of close in beaming attack as well.

what evidence is this?

A bomber type ship could coast for effectively forever after it was launched giving it a theoretically unlimited range. In reality the practical effective range would of course be less due to a wide variety of factors but ranges far far in excess of the typical visual ranges of missiles and railguns would be almost inevitable.

A Bomber could not coast for forever, because a bomber still has the cockpit style of a fighter, without much room for the pilot to store food/water/supplies...or a toilet for that matter...

That's not the case at all. They're not going to need to call back and ask for orders for everything they do any more than an SG team would on the ground. You assign a squadren leader, give them a general mission outline and let them go to it.

SG teams have to radio back for permission to do anything outside of there mission parameters. The same is said for Air-force pilots on earth. anything not specified in their target list must be approved.

Yes, and a battleship has more ordinace available than an jet fighter.

That is what I am saying, why limit the amount of ordinance you can have, when you could have more aboard the -304

So it's infearior then...

In speed? depends. if you are trying to attack many targets that are spread out, then no, because the bomber would need to get in range, while, as I have stated before, a -304's beaming tech has significant enough range to cover a battle in space.

You could drop off a squadren of bombers at a location where you expected an enemy ship to arrive to ambush it the same way you would ambush an enemy with ground forces. I'm not saying it would be a common use but it's certainly a possible one. An enemy ship is far less likely to notice a dozen small bombers powered down on a moon or something as opposed to a 304 sitting there.

but a -304 could follow the same concept, hide on the dark side of a moon in power-down mode.

It's a point in favour of versatility. Creating a bomber type design would let you simply station wings of them at places like Atlantis to bulk up defences further. If the bobmers were large enough to have their own FTL drive like a cargoship you could set up small airbases all over both galaxies to launch them as well.

Atlantis doesn't have the space to put a runway...

If it's not being jammed. Beaming is a gimmick. It's 100% effective until it's jammed then it's 100% ineffective. Nothing the enemy will be able to do will make bomber attacks 100% ineffective, even massive amounts of air defence. There's no magic technological offswitch like there is with beaming where once you figure out how to jam it it's completely ineffective.

I can think of one way to easily disable a fleet of bombers...EMP. If a ship we're shielded from it, and set of an EMP weapon, the bomber would be rendered 100% ineffective

Well then can I just call it a lousy carrier because a carrier that carries fighters that can't actually kill anything other than other fighters certainly isn't a good one.

A U.S. Naval carrier doesn't carry fighters that are designed to destroy anything but fighter's, or AA defenses, which im sure the -302 is also capable of destroying. That is why Naval carriers are equipped with cruise missles.

So since SG team members are potentially likely to get shot while on missions I guess we should stop using them and just rely on teleporters for that to?

No, because in some instances, beaming technology would not be effective, I am not saying that we should rely on Beaming tech for everything, but for Space-based combat, it is very effective. Also, SG team member's are highly manuverable, and can easily seek cover to avoid being shot, There isn't a whole lot of "cover" in space...

[Xzyl]

A Bomber could not coast for forever, because a bomber still has the cockpit style of a fighter, without much room for the pilot to store food/water/supplies...or a toilet for that matter...

You may want to check your facts. The B-2's toilet is in fact in the cockpit behind the right seat. And the B-2 also has an area where its crew can prepare a hot meal. Their crews arent stargate characters that can hold it for those 50+ hour missions.

[Ouroboros]

They were not sent after the hiveships


they we're not sent after the ha'taks

Hmm wonder why that is...

Just because they can see it does not mean it has to be seen...

What, no. The fact they can see it all the time shows us that beaming range is about the same as visual range. If it was on the other side of an asteroid or something beaming might still work but it wouldn't work if the enemy ship was so far away it shrunk to a tiny speck in the distance.

what evidence is this?

Evidently it's the case because Wraith jamming blocks their attacks entirely. If they could just beam the nuke onto the surface of the hull it wouldn't really be the big problem that it's shown to be now would it.

A Bomber could not coast for forever, because a bomber still has the cockpit style of a fighter, without much room for the pilot to store food/water/supplies...or a toilet for that matter...

Read that bit again, the whole thing this time.

SG teams have to radio back for permission to do anything outside of there mission parameters. The same is said for Air-force pilots on earth. anything not specified in their target list must be approved.

This is just wrong. How many times did O'neill call back to ask Hammond if it was ok to shoot that Jaffa. Yes they get mission instruction but once they've got those they are allowed to use their own initiative.

That is what I am saying, why limit the amount of ordinance you can have, when you could have more aboard the -304

Oh brother, because it's two different things with two different roles and different strengths and weaknessess. That's like saying there's no point in having infantry because tanks carry more ordnance.

In speed? depends. if you are trying to attack many targets that are spread out, then no, because the bomber would need to get in range, while, as I have stated before, a -304's beaming tech has significant enough range to cover a battle in space.

You keep coming back to this idea that it's some kind of either or with the beaming tech or the bombers. Why is it an either or? Beaming tech doesn't seem to hardly take up any space at all. Hell, you might even be able to put beaming tech on the bombers!

but a -304 could follow the same concept, hide on the dark side of a moon in power-down mode.

But then you've got an entire 304 sitting there instead of just a few bombers.

Atlantis doesn't have the space to put a runway...

VTOL, just like the 302s already have.

I can think of one way to easily disable a fleet of bombers...EMP. If a ship we're shielded from it, and set of an EMP weapon, the bomber would be rendered 100% ineffective

No, just, no. I'm going to assume now that all your knowledge of things like this comes from action movies and video games.

A U.S. Naval carrier doesn't carry fighters that are designed to destroy anything but fighter's, or AA defenses, which im sure the -302 is also capable of destroying. That is why Naval carriers are equipped with cruise missles.

So she was clearly done in by pure American socery then.

No, because in some instances, beaming technology would not be effective, I am not saying that we should rely on Beaming tech for everything, but for Space-based combat, it is very effective. Also, SG team member's are highly manuverable, and can easily seek cover to avoid being shot, There isn't a whole lot of "cover" in space...

Beaming tech is not particularly effective as a weapon at all. The only reason it worked so dramatically well against the Wraith was because they didn't use shields, a weakness they closed very rapidly. Everyone elses uses shields.

[VSHARMA]

I wonder if an Al'kesh would fit in a 304 Bay????? Al'kesh's would be cool in Earths Fleet. I’m not talking about one I’m talking about squadrons of them ............Rings, Bombs, Energy Weapons, Cloak.

We are at War with the Lucian Alliance; can’t we just beam the Pilot of the Al’kesh, as Al’kesh don’t have shields?

Views?

[FN-P90]

I wonder if an Al'kesh would fit in a 304 Bay????? Al'kesh's would be cool in Earths Fleet. I’m not talking about one I’m talking about squadrons of them ............Rings, Bombs, Energy Weapons, Cloak.

Enevn if they cant fit into a 304's hanger nay we could still us them in the fleet.

We are at War with the Lucian Alliance; can’t we just beam the Pilot of the Al’kesh, as Al’kesh don’t have shields?

Views?

Thats a really good idea.

[Mister Oragahn]

Well then can I just call it a lousy carrier because a carrier that carries fighters that can't actually kill anything other than other fighters certainly isn't a good one.

On one hand, this is correct. The 302s are interceptors, and lack the long range capacity of bombers. Long range, in that case, being their own hyperdrive.
I don't know why people keep pretending they kept the hyperdrives on, the last time a 302 used one was before they were even started to be rolled out en masse and even modified later on, for example to incorporate machine guns.
As such, the ship that will do the bombing is the 304.

But, on another end, if you look at the size of the gatebusters fired from the Horizon MIRV, they, without a doubt, easily fit under a 302's wings, and there's also no doubt that a 302 could carry low gigaton level nukes out on a mission.
As bombers, they're fairly limited, and could only be used to attack a target from different angles (planet, base, etc.) while the 304 makes circles and nukes the target and fires beams, railguns etc. (railguns were seen having a good accuracy over orbital ranges in The Game I think).

About beaming ranges, it seems the Goa'uld, or particularily Anubis, outclassed the Asgards, or at least the interpretation of asgard tech through a 304.
Osiris, after all, could beam from Earth to a small ship parked behind the moon iirc.
Comparatively, earth beaming ranges are always, at best, orbital ranges, though there's a lack of consistency on beaming range, terms thrown by the writers without realizing that it comes at a moment when the target, which contains the people to beam up, is located a few kms away at best.