Ancients or us, who would win?

[Atlantean_Fan]

I still don't know why you're debating the merits of the Tau'ri in events. It's obvious that nothing would've happened if not for the Tau'ri because SG-1 and SGA are shows that illustrate us, humans from Earth, as the Alterans' second coming in the universe. It's obvious ALL events must happen or revolve around us for that simple reason alone. I guess that's why people are cutting Earth such slack on this whole Ancients or us debate.

IMHO, at least two to three thousand years for us to totally be able to understand just the full extent of the user friendly Asgard repository. The full Ancient repository, which is vaster than the Asgard's, would demand a lot more brain evolution to grasp. At least a million years. We are biologically unable to understand their knowledge. That's the point people are failing to grasp. Jack had SEVERE BRAIN CHANGES to be able to access the contents of the Ancient repository and it almost KILLED him twice. To get there naturally is gonna take a LONG time. The same goes for the Asgard knowledge, maybe just not too many changes, so less time to grab that one completely, I guess, even being user friendly.

Having a blueprint and copying it is not knowledge, people, it's replication. Being able to adapt that blueprint to your NEEDS as you DESIRE is what constitutes domain over the subject and thus knowledge of it.

About Kvasir and the Sangraal in Camelot, he didn't know what it was or how it worked. He had an idea, a general impression lead by his knowledge. Carter had an idea of hers too based on her lesser knowledge. It doesn't mean any of them could build one without Daniel's/Merlin's direct assistance. Again if they couldn't run with it and do whatever they needed with the concept, like Thor did with the ARG from Jack, then there was no more true knowledge behind Kvasir's words than Carter's. They both had theories and conjectures, not knowledge. I guess people are mixing the essence of knowledge with other things.....

Caps is for emphasis only. Don't take it badly, please.

[s09119]

Without the Eye of Ra, the weapon was useless, and Naquadriah is too unstable to be used as a powersource. Did i not just wite this...

Naquadriah isn't too unstable to be used, we just haven't found a way to do it yet. People once thought nuclear power was too "unstable" and "explosive" to use, but that passed in time and we now use it across the globe.

And the system lord Baal + Yu destroyed Anubis's super ship. We neutralized the super weapon. And Anubis created another super ship, but had nothing to power it with.

[/QUOTE]

Okay...?

[a6346]

That is what i mean by tactics, and not just military tactics.
The whole Jaffa rebellion was because of Earth.
And Earth developed (with help) a number of technologies to fight the Goauld. For example, to defeat the Cull warriors, who were unstoppable, Carter and Jacob developed an effective weapon. Also, Oneill and Carter in a 302, took out Anubis's super weapon, which gave him a supreme advangate over the other Goauld, and this kept one Goauld from rising to power over the others, which kept the Goauld fighting among each other.
I could go on, but you get the point.

You said took out here which is the saying for destroyed so maybe you should go back and reread what you've already wrote.

The Tokra had given the intell about anubis's superweapon powersource and weak spot not the Tauri. If it wasn't for the Tokra (Not jacob/salmek) then we wouldnt have known there was a weak spot.

The goauld were defeated by the replicators full stop. We made the Goauld as powerful as they were by accident the goauld would've been destroyed by sokar and then the tokra would've killed him so the goauld would've been dead anyway.

The jafa rebelion did a huge blow to the gaould's fighting forces and bra'tac had to be careful not to alert the goauld. We only saw bratac with a small number of good men but it was him that got te entire jafa race free not us.

The goauld would've wiped us out if it wasn't for the Asgard theyve saved us more times than we've saved them.

The ARG was built using ancient knowledge jack didn't think up the device he looked through there database in his head to find it (like any memory) you realy think he could've put it together without the ancient repository. Also we screwwed up the device if we hadn't done the stupid idea with replicarter the asgard couldve stopped them from wiping out the Milkyway.

The Tokra have saved all are hero's if it wasn't for them SG1 would've been destroyed in the 3rd season and Earth would've fallen under the Goauld, Ori, Aschen, Tollen ect ect. (I say tollen for the devices they were making for the goauld).

[Akai]

Ordinarily I'd say the Ancients would win, hands down. But there are other factors to consider. Earth does have very advanced tech now thanks to the Asgard, and the Ancient tech we have salvaged. Also keep this in mind: the Ancients are pacifistic (they will not fight unless they have to), and they are extremely overconfident and arrogant. This arrogance has been their downfall more than once (the war against the Wraith, and the battle against the Asurans when the Ancients were in Atlantis with O'neill and Woolsey). All the Ancients were wiped out, and not only did O'neill and Woolsey survive, we managed to outsmart the Asurans and destroy them, using unconventional tactics that the Ancients wouldn't have considered (misdirection and covert modifying of the shield with AR weapons).

[s09119]

Ordinarily I'd say the Ancients would win, hands down. But there are other factors to consider. Earth does have very advanced tech now thanks to the Asgard, and the Ancient tech we have salvaged. Also keep this in mind: the Ancients are pacifistic (they will not fight unless they have to), and they are extremely overconfident and arrogant. This arrogance has been their downfall more than once (the war against the Wraith, and the battle against the Asurans when the Ancients were in Atlantis with O'neill and Woolsey). All the Ancients were wiped out, and not only did O'neill and Woolsey survive, we managed to outsmart the Asurans and destroy them, using unconventional tactics that the Ancients wouldn't have considered (misdirection and covert modifying of the shield with AR weapons).

The Ancients aren't pacifistic, they just aren't idiots. Why fight, for example, the Ori when they could very easily take their group and leave? They knew they'd get crushed by the Ori if they stayed, so why bother when such an obvious and simply alternative presents itself? Other than that, they've never even shown pacifism. They don't like war, true, but it's not like they'd wait for an agressor to come and get them.

As for "The Return," they were only overconfident there because we never told them we'd messed with the Asuran base code. As far as they knew, they still couldn't attack Ancients and were only coming to the city to fight the Earth personnel. That's not overconfidence, really, just ignorance on their part and negligence on ours.