BC-304 vs. Imperial Star Destroyer

[Jimbo-DR]

The Star Wars universe isn't based in any kind of real science at all. At least Star Trek, and, to a point, Stargate, made at least SOME attempt to explain some of the future technology in their shows.

Star Wars just blows the crap out of everything without any explanation. Think about it:

They built a space station the size of a MOON. It was capable of destroying an entire PLANET with one shot from its primary weapon.

Thats straight up nuts. So of course anything from Star Wars is very advanced compared to anything from Stargate or Star Trek.

[MechaThor]

The Star Wars universe isn't based in any kind of real science at all. At least Star Trek, and, to a point, Stargate, made at least SOME attempt to explain some of the future technology in their shows.

Star Wars just blows the crap out of everything without any explanation. Think about it:

They built a space station the size of a MOON. It was capable of destroying an entire PLANET with one shot from its primary weapon.

Thats straight up nuts. So of course anything from Star Wars is very advanced compared to anything from Stargate or Star Trek.

Ok Ok
Yes Gaint laser blowing up a planet is a bit more realistic than Sending a stargate in a weak sheild into a sun. Which then blows it up!
Or gaint ancient generator blows up a SOLAR SYSTEM! Are not as realitic.
Or glowing energy beings made of fire!
Or a giant rock which opens up and makes a visible beam of energy fire into every stargate some how exspanding to cover the whole planet even thought it would only have been the size on the gates then moving outwards yet still getting anyone standing behide the gate? covering the universe with the potenial of turning people into slime.

There4 i think a giant laser which can destroy a planet is more realisic. Also Star wars dose exsplain its technology in the ever growing exstended universe. More is known abpout star wars ships than any others.

Oh and also a gaint space station the size of a moon is one thing but a giant flying/underwater city ship is another!

[.jolinar.]

Ok Ok
Yes Gaint laser blowing up a planet is a bit more realistic than Sending a stargate in a weak sheild into a sun. Which then blows it up!
Or gaint ancient generator blows up a SOLAR SYSTEM! Are not as realitic.
Or glowing energy beings made of fire!
Or a giant rock which opens up and makes a visible beam of energy fire into every stargate some how exspanding to cover the whole planet even thought it would only have been the size on the gates then moving outwards yet still getting anyone standing behide the gate? covering the universe with the potenial of turning people into slime.

There4 i think a giant laser which can destroy a planet is more realisic. Also Star wars dose exsplain its technology in the ever growing exstended universe. More is known abpout star wars ships than any others.

Oh and also a gaint space station the size of a moon is one thing but a giant flying/underwater city ship is another!

What? No you've got that all messed up. Wormholes exist but a huge honkin laser that could blow up an entire planet is just impossible. The chances of sucessfully building a space station the size of a moon are tiny but the possibility of connecting a wormhole between a stargate in a star to one in a blackhole is very likely and the effects of the immense gravity would indeed force the star to go supernova. Try living in reality and stop licking George Lucas's boots.

[Salaam86]

Ok Ok
Yes Gaint laser blowing up a planet is a bit more realistic than Sending a stargate in a weak sheild into a sun. Which then blows it up!
Or gaint ancient generator blows up a SOLAR SYSTEM! Are not as realitic.
Or glowing energy beings made of fire!
Or a giant rock which opens up and makes a visible beam of energy fire into every stargate some how exspanding to cover the whole planet even thought it would only have been the size on the gates then moving outwards yet still getting anyone standing behide the gate? covering the universe with the potenial of turning people into slime.

There4 i think a giant laser which can destroy a planet is more realisic. Also Star wars dose exsplain its technology in the ever growing exstended universe. More is known abpout star wars ships than any others.

Oh and also a gaint space station the size of a moon is one thing but a giant flying/underwater city ship is another!

thank you!

someone with some common sense.

[Salaam86]

What? No you've got that all messed up. Wormholes exist but a huge honkin laser that could blow up an entire planet is just impossible. The chances of sucessfully building a space station the size of a moon are tiny but the possibility of connecting a wormhole between a stargate in a star to one in a blackhole is very likely and the effects of the immense gravity would indeed force the star to go supernova. Try living in reality and stop licking George Lucas's boots.

oh bull.

typical rhetoric.

and by the way, quit talking about the possibility of connecting a worm hole and a blackhole.

A.) The standard model states the universe is composed of:

4% matter, 21% dark matter, 75% dark energy.

None of which supports star gates or immense gravity forcing a star to go supernova. and for the record, it wouldn't go supernova, it would collapse into a neutron star.

Oh, and the giant laser is completely possible. It's simply a matter of how powerful could the super laser actually be. In which case it's merely a matter of having enough power. Obviously it's an astronomical figure. But possible as far as physics is concerned. However the things mentioned in the post you quote regarding the SG universe have absolutely no value since the physics behind worm holes have not been proven to exist and...well the list goes on. At least we HAVE existing lasers here on earth now in reality to prove that lasers DO exist.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/...DeathStar.html

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/...eam/Beam2.html

OH YEAH.

And for the record, the title and question of this thread was:

Which would win, A SD of the Odessey. It was not, "how realistic are star destroyers?" Therefore this whole thread has been derailed. Lets face it, the SD would win even if it is unrealistic. Because how real it is, is not part of the question asked. Just for the record. Cuz it's totally getting off topic.

[Hypochondriac]

shouldn't the deathstars laser have punched a whole through the planet rather then blow it up?

[Mister Oragahn]

oh bull.

typical rhetoric.

and by the way, quit talking about the possibility of connecting a worm hole and a blackhole.

A.) The standard model states the universe is composed of:

4% matter, 21% dark matter, 75% dark energy.

None of which supports star gates or immense gravity forcing a star to go supernova. and for the record, it wouldn't go supernova, it would collapse into a neutron star.

Oh, and the giant laser is completely possible. It's simply a matter of how powerful could the super laser actually be. In which case it's merely a matter of having enough power. Obviously it's an astronomical figure. But possible as far as physics is concerned. However the things mentioned in the post you quote regarding the SG universe have absolutely no value since the physics behind worm holes have not been proven to exist and...well the list goes on. At least we HAVE existing lasers here on earth now in reality to prove that lasers DO exist.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/...DeathStar.html

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/...eam/Beam2.html

OH YEAH.

And for the record, the title and question of this thread was:

Which would win, A SD of the Odessey. It was not, "how realistic are star destroyers?" Therefore this whole thread has been derailed. Lets face it, the SD would win even if it is unrealistic. Because how real it is, is not part of the question asked. Just for the record. Cuz it's totally getting off topic.

Safe that the Death Star's beam doesn't behave like a laser at all.

[fugiman]

Which would win, A SD or the Odessey. It was not, "how realistic are star destroyers?" Therefore this whole thread has been derailed. Lets face it, the SD would win even if it is unrealistic. Because how real it is, is not part of the question asked. Just for the record. Cuz it's totally getting off topic.

SD would win because of firepower, crew experience, Better Fighter and support craft, and a tractor beam keeping the oddy in place to get destroyed

[bbal4163]

Odyssey exist in stargate universe with carter who has the ability to turn back time.

1) Odyssey travels back in time and blows the Star Destroyer up before construction is finished!

2) Carter stops time and developes missiles that can go out of phase then go back in phase once they are inside the destroyer. Destroys everything within 100 miles. Again they win

3) Go out of phase and shoot a ZPM at the destroyer. Even if they destroy it the ZPM takes out everything in the solar system

4) Use rodney to go to another dimension then use his device to destroy the universe the destroyer is in

5) use anti-replicator device

6) suicide attack by one of the fighters. go into hyperspace to travel straight through destroyer shields and then pop out of hyperspace detenating naquadia bomb.

7) create a time dialation field with the destroyer in it and leave them there forever

8) freeze time and let daniel jackson assend for the next 40 years

Odyssey wins hands down

[fugiman]

So much is wrong with this

[QUOTE=bbal4163;6527900]Odyssey exist in stargate universe with carter who has the ability to turn back time.

1) Odyssey travels back in time and blows the Star Destroyer up before construction is finished!

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Yes with a lot of power also it takes carter 50 years to make then it can only work if the star destroyer is shooting a beam powerful enough to power the time machine but of course soon as they go back in time they have no idea why they are there in the first place

2) Carter stops time and developes missiles that can go out of phase then go back in phase once they are inside the destroyer. Destroys everything within 100 miles. Again they win

Where did you get that idea? Because I have never seen that done in the show before

3) Go out of phase and shoot a ZPM at the destroyer. Even if they destroy it the ZPM takes out everything in the solar system

Then we all die

4) Use rodney to go to another dimension then use his device to destroy the universe the destroyer is in

WHAT???????!!!!!!!!!??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5) use anti-replicator device

To do what? Make sure the ship doesn't have reps on it. The SD would thank the Oddy then blow it up

6) suicide attack by one of the fighters. go into hyperspace to travel straight through destroyer shields and then pop out of hyperspace detenating naquadia bomb.

That only works on Goa'uld ships and you have no proof that the SD shields would not prevent the fighter from just crashing into it

7) create a time dialation field with the destroyer in it and leave them there forever

How would they do that? Tell the SD to go into the field over there or the Oddy is stuck in the field as well

8) freeze time and let daniel jackson assend for the next 40 years

Lucky for the SD that Jackson can't interfer with the lower regions of space. Also the SD would have Darth Vader and he could kick all of the Oddy's forces ass

Odyssey wins hands down

NO

Nice try but NO

[bbal4163]

" Yes with a lot of power also it takes carter 50 years to make then it can only work if the star destroyer is shooting a beam powerful enough to power the time machine but of course soon as they go back in time they have no idea why they are there in the first place"
-they have a working time machine from an earlier episode that could do it without the use of a ZPM.


"Where did you get that idea? Because I have never seen that done in the show before"
-its possible for her to make an out of phase emmitor from scratch. Once that is done its only a matter of attaching it to a timer


"
4) "WHAT???????!!!!!!!!!??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

in MCKAY AND MRS. MILLER mckay transports himself to another dimension because his universe is being destroyed by the energy device created by the other Mckay. Using this logic it IS possible for a ship to also travel between dimensions and also possible to duplicate the power generator that destroys an entire universe.
(technically the most powerful weapon of ANY sci-fi show/movie)


-"That only works on Goa'uld ships and you have no proof that the SD shields would not prevent the fighter from just crashing into it"

hyperspace is outside of normal space and is not affected by things in normal space. We have not seen anything to indicate otherwise.


"How would they do that? Tell the SD to go into the field over there or the Oddy is stuck in the field as well"
-use a remote control ship with the time dialation generator onboard. The one developed by the asguard was quite small. The ships in SW were able to get very close to the destroyers. The field has a .9 Light year range.


"Lucky for the SD that Jackson can't interfer with the lower regions of space. Also the SD would have Darth Vader and he could kick all of the Oddy's forces ass"
-ascended beings are MUCH MUCH more powerful than Jedi. this battle would be in a neutral zone. So no anchients to stop daniel from doing it.

[fugiman]

they have a working time machine from an earlier episode that could do it without the use of a ZPM.

I'm pretty sure they destroyed that PJ with time travel power so you lose that one

-its possible for her to make an out of phase emmitor from scratch. Once that is done its only a matter of attaching it to a timer

First when have we ever made a phase emmitor from scratch? Were not talking possibilties were talking hard facts so don't come in here and say "They make weapons go BOOM and phase"

in MCKAY AND MRS. MILLER mckay transports himself to another dimension because his universe is being destroyed by the energy device created by the other Mckay. Using this logic it IS possible for a ship to also travel between dimensions and also possible to duplicate the power generator that destroys an entire universe.
(technically the most powerful weapon of ANY sci-fi show/movie

Once again Oddy vs SD not Atlantis vs SD because thats how they used McKay from another galaxy to get her. Also when have we seen a ship go to other realties?

hyperspace is outside of normal space and is not affected by things in normal space. We have not seen anything to indicate otherwise.

I thought that they were able to launch a fighter in hyperspace to damage the Anubis's Super Weapon not destroy it also I thought it was because his shields were damaged or something because Goa'uld shields have a point where you can enter them at a high velocity

ascended beings are MUCH MUCH more powerful than Jedi. this battle would be in a neutral zone. So no anchients to stop daniel from doing it.

Never said Jedi were more powrful what I said was Ancinets don't interfer so then Darth Vader would kill all members of the Oddy. So please don't mis qutoe me. Also who is more powerful the Jedi who ascended or the Ancinets? We don't know for sure. So that is a stalemate

Also I know you are new but please learn how to Quote

[garhkal]

-its possible for her to make an out of phase emmitor from scratch. Once that is done its only a matter of attaching it to a timer

I doubt that. Both of the devices we have come accross to 'out of phase' stuff, are like the Tolan ion cannon. Still way beyond our making.
YES she could interface something with it, but making one from scrach... that is willful thinking.

[Alterran1.]

Do we have any idea just how much firepower the new Odyssey shields hooked up to a ZPM and an Asgard core can take.

The Stardestroyer just might not have the firepower

Odyssey is equipped with so much tecnology now I find it unlikely the Stardestroyer can compete.

Also the number of guns you suggest the Stardestroyer has, must be a load of rubbish because it has eight twin barreled turbolasers just like the Venator.

SO where exactly are you getting forty from.

[Lord of Nightmares]

Do we have any idea just how much firepower the new Odyssey shields hooked up to a ZPM and an Asgard core can take.

The Stardestroyer just might not have the firepower

Odyssey is equipped with so much tecnology now I find it unlikely the Stardestroyer can compete.

Also the number of guns you suggest the Stardestroyer has, must be a load of rubbish because it has eight twin barreled turbolasers just like the Venator.

SO where exactly are you getting forty from.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/sta...stroyer/?id=eu

Um, yeah, the guys over at Lucas must be a bunch of liars.

Also, you must remember that even the upgraded Odyssey's shields were almost depleted after sustaining several hits from the Ori battlecruiser's main beam weapon. While the aforementioned weapon is extremely potent, I seriously doubt it's actual destructive force is in the terraton letalone petaton range, since it still took awhile to decimate Dakara.