Future Ships #Spoilers#

[Jimbo-DR]

They didn't seem very much like phasers to me. Phasers to me seem like a sustained beam of energy. These things are basically just longer versions of the energy bolts that normal Asgard ships fire. Same with the Ori main weapon. Didn't seem like phasers to me.

[ACharmedAsgard]

The problem is that we've had every weapon but energy weapons and sooo many people wanted them.

I be the only reason why energy weapons were used was because so many fans wanted them

[thegatebuilders]

The problem is that we've had every weapon but energy weapons and sooo many people wanted them.

I be the only reason why energy weapons were used was because so many fans wanted them

i agree but it was about time we had weapons capable of blowing a whole in our enemies

[turbo1889]

In reality we don't need new ships classes (although it is cool to get them) we need to upgrade our current ships to properly fulfill their roll -- Lets take the 304 with its bays full of f-302's for example. The thing is suppost to be the equivalent of an aircraft-carrier yet it cannot fulfill that role to any affect. It is actually more like a missle-cruiser with fighter support, and not a very strong one at that.

The time honored military roll of carrier is to launch a deadly force of fighter/bombers against an enemy fleet without revealing its location. It harresses the enemy and destroys their fleet without putting itself in the direct line of fire; also something can be said about the element of surprise which is just kind of wrecked when a big highly visible ship takes 5 minutes burling towards the enemy before its within weapons range -- Anyone ever watch "Tora! Tora! Tora!" ? If you have you know what I'm talking about. The F-302 lacks the neccessary range and firepower for this. We were on the right path with the X-302 which was designed to be hyperspace capable for short distances. With the 303 we figured out how to make a Naquadria hyper-drive work correctly for short distances (Buffer Module). Equip the F-302 with a Naquadria hyper-drive with buffer module technology. As far as fire-power the F-302 already has missle hard points and we already have missles equipped with small nuclear warheads which can be carried by any fighter/bomber -- not just the F-302 the F-18 as well. Every carrier in the current U.S. fleet (Real World -- Not Gate World) is equipped with such weapons and at a moments notice can equip is squadrons with said weapons.

Equipped with such upgraded F-302A's the 304 class would be able to properly fulfill their roll as a carrier and launch their squadrons against enemy fleets from a distance producing maximum damage on the enemy with minimal risk to the 304 mother ship; and gaining the element of surprise. Next on the plate can't we get a carrier to carry more then a dozen fighter/bombers, for goodness sake !?!?!?

How about a 305 super carrier which carries six dozen F-302A's? We can build conventional aircraft carriers capable of carrying that kind of fire-power we have the technical know-how and experience with building one 303 and four 304's so far lets just expand our horizons a little.

Oh and another thing during the Cold War the cornerstone of the U.S. fleet was the aircraft-carrier and the cornerstone of the Russian fleet was the ballistic missle submarine. Apparently the U.S. is following the same path as before and building carriers. Why don't the Russians do what they know best and start building earth some big bad ships that fulfill and equivalent purpose as a ballistic submarine -- designed to run silent and undetected, equipped with a dozen or more big, bad missles with multiple warheads on each missle. And I'm not talking convention missles here I'm talking long range intragalactic missles with hyperspace drive engines (yah, let your mind roll that one over for a while).

[thegatebuilders]

Oh and another thing during the Cold War the cornerstone of the U.S. fleet was the aircraft-carrier and the cornerstone of the Russian fleet was the ballistic missle submarine. Apparently the U.S. is following the same path as before and building carriers. Why don't the Russians do what they know best and start building earth some big bad ships that fulfill and equivalent purpose as a ballistic submarine -- designed to run silent and undetected, equipped with a dozen or more big, bad missles with multiple warheads on each missle. And I'm not talking convention missles here I'm talking long range intragalactic missles with hyperspace drive engines (yah, let your mind roll that one over for a while).

after the korlev, i was expecting a similar move, but the russian seems to have disappared after that mishap at camelot

[Jimbo-DR]

In reality we don't need new ships classes (although it is cool to get them) we need to upgrade our current ships to properly fulfill their roll -- Lets take the 304 with its bays full of f-302's for example. The thing is suppost to be the equivalent of an aircraft-carrier yet it cannot fulfill that role to any affect. It is actually more like a missle-cruiser with fighter support, and not a very strong one at that.

The time honored military roll of carrier is to launch a deadly force of fighter/bombers against an enemy fleet without revealing its location. It harresses the enemy and destroys their fleet without putting itself in the direct line of fire; also something can be said about the element of surprise which is just kind of wrecked when a big highly visible ship takes 5 minutes burling towards the enemy before its within weapons range -- Anyone ever watch "Tora! Tora! Tora!" ? If you have you know what I'm talking about. The F-302 lacks the neccessary range and firepower for this. We were on the right path with the X-302 which was designed to be hyperspace capable for short distances. With the 303 we figured out how to make a Naquadria hyper-drive work correctly for short distances (Buffer Module). Equip the F-302 with a Naquadria hyper-drive with buffer module technology. As far as fire-power the F-302 already has missle hard points and we already have missles equipped with small nuclear warheads which can be carried by any fighter/bomber -- not just the F-302 the F-18 as well. Every carrier in the current U.S. fleet (Real World -- Not Gate World) is equipped with such weapons and at a moments notice can equip is squadrons with said weapons.

Equipped with such upgraded F-302A's the 304 class would be able to properly fulfill their roll as a carrier and launch their squadrons against enemy fleets from a distance producing maximum damage on the enemy with minimal risk to the 304 mother ship; and gaining the element of surprise. Next on the plate can't we get a carrier to carry more then a dozen fighter/bombers, for goodness sake !?!?!?

How about a 305 super carrier which carries six dozen F-302A's? We can build conventional aircraft carriers capable of carrying that kind of fire-power we have the technical know-how and experience with building one 303 and four 304's so far lets just expand our horizons a little.

Oh and another thing during the Cold War the cornerstone of the U.S. fleet was the aircraft-carrier and the cornerstone of the Russian fleet was the ballistic missle submarine. Apparently the U.S. is following the same path as before and building carriers. Why don't the Russians do what they know best and start building earth some big bad ships that fulfill and equivalent purpose as a ballistic submarine -- designed to run silent and undetected, equipped with a dozen or more big, bad missles with multiple warheads on each missle. And I'm not talking convention missles here I'm talking long range intragalactic missles with hyperspace drive engines (yah, let your mind roll that one over for a while).

Good thoughts, but pretty pointless after the upgrades we received in Unending. All we should be doing to improve our fleet is pumping out 303 hulls and 304 hulls as quickly as we can and fitting them with the new Asgard subsystems. A 303 hull is obviously smaller than the 304, so I'm sure we can produce them MUCH faster. I emphasize much because hopefully we can also use our new Asgard technology to upgrade our production facilities.

I.E. Matter synthesizing a huge bulkhead and beaming it directly into postion. Give it a year and we'd have a sizable fleet with the most advanced weapons and defense in the galaxy.

[Ravroz]

Actually we might be seeing ships with more Asagrd features since we have an easy to understand database of their technology which is sure to include ship building techniques and schematics. The next class of a ship might even include the most advanced Asgard power generator and look more like one of their ships mixed with our designs. I think that would be a pretty cool looking ship.

[thegatebuilders]

Actually we might be seeing ships with more Asagrd features since we have an easy to understand database of their technology which is sure to include ship building techniques and schematics. The next class of a ship might even include the most advanced Asgard power generator and look more like one of their ships mixed with our designs. I think that would be a pretty cool looking ship.

i doubt we would notice since asgard themselves dont follow a consistent partern apart from the drawings, i mean the beliskiner is very different from the the oniel and the diniel jacksons, so what ever design we come up with, i am sure it will be accepted as an based design rather than a mixture of both cultures.

[garhkal]

after the korlev, i was expecting a similar move, but the russian seems to have disappared after that mishap at camelot

That is cause the korlev was one we gave them. Ergo, they have not got another to go back out there with.

As to me, i would like to see some 'crusier' variants. if the 304 is supposed to be a fighter carrier, hows about an escort ship?

[Wraith_Boy]

too startrek-ish

tis why I said "phasers"

I wanted something...different. Maybe more original.

When I seen the lasers come off of the hull I was like "yay! energy weapons...ohhhh I seen that before."

Lol, if anything 'Energy Weapons' would be a more appropriate term to use for originality because 'Phasers' have always been used & associated with Star Trek.

I them 'Pulse Beams'!

The problem is that we've had every weapon but energy weapons and sooo many people wanted them.

I be the only reason why energy weapons were used was because so many fans wanted them

That & the fact that we've only ever seen Asgard use energy weapons before. So they had to be energy based.

I think Thor summed it up best:

THOR
The Asgard would never invent a weapon that propels small weights of iron and carbon alloys by igniting a powder of potassium nitrate, charcoal, and sulpher.

Would be silly to have seen them spending their last year of existence working on a way to shoot limited projectile weapons when they've always used energy based ones themselves all this time.

Rail Guns aren't effective against shielded targets, nor is warheads. The only other thing they could have done would be to create a system that would allow the warheads to phase through enemy shields. Although if they gave them that, then there really wouldn be no way to stop them. All they'd need to do was jump into Asuras, launch all the most powerful warheads into the cities, watch them go through the shields & impact inside the structures. At least with the energy weapons they have multiple angles of which to spin it. Such as they were specifically targeted for the Ori shields, so don't cause much damage to Asuran shields, another is that they aren't very powerful because the other 304's don't have ZPM's to max up the power etc.

Actually we might be seeing ships with more Asagrd features since we have an easy to understand database of their technology which is sure to include ship building techniques and schematics. The next class of a ship might even include the most advanced Asgard power generator and look more like one of their ships mixed with our designs. I think that would be a pretty cool looking ship.

Afraid that ain't gonna happen. JM has already stated in his blog that new models are a long way off. With dipping ratings, S4 being put back to the fall. It may only get a few eps to convince Sci-Fi it's worthy of a S5. That's why I don't personally think we'll get to ever see a new ship model on Atlantis before it ends. Best bet would be the new series, or perhaps movies if Atlantis decided to go down that route. This is why we'll probably have to make do with upgraded 304's that are coming up in S4 of Atlantis.

[Hellfrost]

New ships for earth... Well we know they can produce ships fast. Between the Prometheus and The Daedalus was about 2 years but now they are building ships much faster. 3 ships in 2 years so we know that it can be done. But how long do you think it will take our scientists to figure out how to reverse engineer everything the asgards added? I doubt they will be able to do that in like 6 months time... For now i am holding on to normal class ships, maybe 1 ship with superior shields or weapons but that's it.

[Professor Chaos]

They need a smaller ship, but not weaker. They should take the approach Star Trek did with the Defiant. Small, yet fully capable of taking on a normal sized ship and fully loaded with intergalactic hyperdrives, Asgard power source, Asgard beam weapons, Beam technology, cloak ect. Also, less dependent on a crew so 1 or 2 people could operate it.

[VSHARMA]

They need a smaller ship, but not weaker. They should take the approach Star Trek did with the Defiant. Small, yet fully capable of taking on a normal sized ship and fully loaded with intergalactic hyperdrives, Asgard power source, Asgard beam weapons, Beam technology, cloak ect. Also, less dependent on a crew so 1 or 2 people could operate it.

You want a smaller ship than the DSC-304's? T304's dwarf almost everything in the SG universe. Ha'taks, Hives, Ori Cursers and Asgard Mother ships. If anything we need bigger ships.
You want smaller ships; steal a few Al'kesh's from the very few System Lords left. Even these little Ori Fighters will do. They have Shielding, Ori pulse weapons and are extremely maneuverable

[Jimbo-DR]

Size doesn't matter. In fact for us smaller is just as effective as big. Remember we are funding this program top secretly and we have limited manpower.

Like I keep saying, pumping out 303 Hulls and fitting them with Asgard subsystems would give us the most powerful fleet and the best bang for our buck in no time.

[ACharmedAsgard]

We are now the biggest threat to most of our enemies