The complete guide to the X-303/BC-303/Prometheus

[TheDarkLordAres]

I use the US Tri Service naming scheme for aircraft and not the Navy system for ships, because it describes the ship more accuracy than the navy system. So depending on who you ask the BC can stand for Battle Cruiser or Bomber Transport, the Battle Cruiser people have series support on their side because in ep707 they name the ship type as battle cruiser.

The USAF naming scheme isn't relevant. The SG writers as well as the characters IN the show have stated the BC stands for Battle Cruiser. Period.

[Tarrifist]

I seriously doubt it was 8 Squadrons. The F-302 is a fairly large fighter and the Prometheus defiantly isn't that big. 8 302's sounds alot more reasonable.

Yep, saw the episode again some weeks back and it is 8 F302's. Wondering how I came up with 8 squadrons.

[Panther]

It isn't a battle cruiser. A battle cruiser technically speaking is a cruiser sized ship with the armaments of a battleship. They were popular for a very short time in the early 20th century, as commerce raiders thought that wasn't their original role. They were to be a cheaper battleship class but it was discovered thanks to their thin armour they were next to useless in a proper fleet on fleet engagement. HMS Hood is a case in point, those poor pussers copped it good when a shell from the Bismark penetrated it's armour and exploded in the magazine. The ship went up like the 4th of July.

Since the Prometheus has a capability to launch two flights of fighters it automatically disqualifies it as a battlecruiser. It's a jack-of-all trades ship, and Bomber Transport is closer to it's capabilities than battlecruiser.

[alaskannut]

Oh for the love of god people...it has been called a battlecruiser on both SG-1 and Atlantis....whether or not that is entirely appropriate is irrelevant since the shows take place in a fictional alternate universe which abides by the nomenclature that they (the creators of the show) have created/adapted for their own uses.....get used to it. Also, it is entirely inappropriate to apply USAF classifications to the Prometheus/Daedalus class as they are an entirely new paradigm unlike anything in current USAF OR USN service.....to even consider classifying them as bomber/transports is I'm sorry to say, utterly insane...if anything they should be classified battliers, but thats neither here nor there.

Note: battlier= BATTLeship-carrIER, and is an unofficial term very occasionally used to describe the Japanese Hyuga class battleships of WW2, as well as modifications to the USN Iowa class in the 80's that were not actually followed through on.

[Panther]

Well no-one said the world was short of morons, have they?

[gallywag]

if the promethus can hold 8 302's how come so many were ovea antarctica and u forgot to mention the control crystal that liks the alien and human tech together

[Panther]

Well I do believe they mentioned an F302 Squadron. A squadron is anywhere from 14-24 planes depending on which country and unit it's from. 8 planes is just two flights, a (wingman+lead)x2 formation.

[Tarrifist]

There must be more 302's than 8 by now. And the 302's range may be great and not need a lift from a BC303.

[Panther]

Exactly my point. It seem the F302s in Antarctica probably flew escort for the Prometheus, in addition to the two flights stationed on board.

Also, I do believe the Hyuga classes were retrofits, and would therefore subscribe to the theory the name "Battleship-Carrier" would probably define as thus, and not any proper class of ship.

[Gremalcon]

The X are for experimental, BC is Bomber Transport,

If it was for bomber transport, it would be BT instead of BC. However, it stands for what the ship is, a Battle Cruiser, thus the BC. Also, the element is Naquadria, just an fyi.

As for the Daedalus, it is going to be an upgrade and that class will be the daedalus class ship. The prometheus was built for naquadria reactors, while the daedalus was designed around asgard neutrino-ion generators for hyper drive, along with asgard shields and weapons. It will be somewhat sleeker than the prometheus, though it will retain a similar shape. Earth still has to design for function instead of aesthetics. Though the daedalus is a 303, I believe it will carry significantly more f/a 302s than the prometheus.

[Panther]

NO! T stands for trainer! C is transport or literaly "Cargo".

And IT IS NOT A BATTLE CRUISER! This is has been enunciated in previous pages of this thread!

[Chris O'Farrell]

NO! T stands for trainer! C is transport or literaly "Cargo".

And IT IS NOT A BATTLE CRUISER! This is has been enunciated in previous pages of this thread!

Easy Panther

I've been ticked off at the writers insisting the 303 class is a 'Battlecruiser'.

I live in hope that somewhere Sam and Daniel will have one of those 'walking through the base moments' where Sam almost absently corrects Daniel over calling Prometheus a Battle Cruiser. Causing Daniel to ask WHY does everyone call it a BC...and Carter just shrugs and says it sounds catchy.

Realisitcly the nearest contemporary equivilant to the 303 is a Russian Kiev or Kuznetsov class Cruiser.

And its 8 302's, not 8 sqadrons.

And I am sure Area-51 has produced more then 8 302's, even if Prometheus can't carry them all at one time. The Alpha Site would get an allocation, so would follow on 303s. Hammond almost certianly just took everything Area-51 had combat ready down South with him.

[_Owen_]

When in the show have they called it a BC 303? just wondering, I don't think I have ever heard that.

Owen Macri

[Panther]

There is mention of an "F-302 Squadron" which could mean up to 18 planes, and perhaps Prometheus' complement is either a detachment or another unit altogether.

[Jarnin]

NO! T stands for trainer! C is transport or literaly "Cargo".

And IT IS NOT A BATTLE CRUISER! This is has been enunciated in previous pages of this thread!

Reference the episode Enemy Mine:

LORNE
Core sample analysis still coming in, but so far? Highest concentration is 2.3 parts per million.

EDWARDS
2.3 parts? Major Lorne, we need enough naquadah to manufacture 303s. You know how big a battle cruiser is?

It's a battle cruiser. When it's in the show, it's canon, unless they change their minds later on. So far they haven't.

When in the show have they called it a BC 303? just wondering, I don't think I have ever heard that.

Owen Macri

Also from Enemy Mine from season 7.

HAMMOND
Colonel, General Vidrine is down from the Pentagon. He's been put in charge of BC-303 production.