Stargate Phsyics 2

[_Owen_]

I don't see any evidence to support this theory. However it is highly unlikley that two wormholes would reach a single gate at the exact same time.

The gates would either activate for a second then shut down or accept both wormholes, recieving incoming from both gates. This would be dangerous because you and another person could materialize in the same space.

Owen Macri

[Seastallion]

What would happen if at exactly the same time to wormholes connected to the same gate. I don't know if its been addressed in an ep but if not lets here your theorys.

Actually, no two wormholes would ever connect to the same gate, at the exact same time. The odds of that happening are astronomically huge, to the point of being completely unreasonable. We are talking the exact same time down to less than micro-seconds. Which ever wormhole reached the gate first, even if only 1/100th of a nano-second earlier, it would be the only one to make a lock. The other wormhole simply wouldn't activate. The people at that gate would have to wait, and redial the address again, until they could establish a lock themselves. A gate can never recieve more than one wormhole, but a gate can send out a wormhole to multiple gate addresses. The only reason a stargate makes an allowance for multiple gates is for energy transmissions. If a person were to try going through the gate in its multiple lock mode... well, I wouldn't try it. Think about it... the wormhole would want to send you to each and every stargate... there is only so much of you to go around...!!! An energy based signal on the otherhand doesn't have to arrive as a discrete package. Nor do liquids. (That is why they could send food to that prison planet) Energy, and liquids follow a similiar pattern. Neither are distinct units of something, rather a continous stream. A continous stream, wether it be energy or some liquid pumped through the gate, could be evenly dispersed to all the gates without any loss of integrity. A brick couldn't... you'd just get little pieces of brick coming through each gate, instead of one whole brick... ugh..! (what if that were you..?? "Oh, look...there goes a toe..!" ) Or more likely you'd just have your body lost in the wormhole, and your atoms scattered all over the galaxy...

That is why they altered the Dakara gate, so the energy wave could be transmitted to all the stargates at the same time. It would be like a bunch of cars starting on the same road, but then dividing up as multiple forks came up in the road. If the cars tried to do the opposite, they'd all crash in a messy pile up. That is why you can't connect multiple stargates to one stargate. Think of how a waterhose can be divided into two hoses that will pump out water instead of one. (you need a divider first, but you get the idea...) On the other hand, it is much more difficult to connect two seperate hoses together into one waterhose, because the water pressure would become too strong for the one hose to handle... messy pile-up...

That analogy pretty much fits exactly... Also, notice that when your turning one waterhose into two... you loose water pressure, because the stream is being divided. That means that whatever signal you send through a multi-mode wormhole is going to be somewhat diluted when it reaches the other side. In the reverse, connecting two waterhoses into one hose, you get too much water pressure and the water comes flying out much too fast. If there is too much pressure, the hose will simply burst. That would be bad...

[_Owen_]

I agree with you, the chances of that actually happening are huge, sorry I didn't read the last half of the post because I haven't seen Reckoning yet, but when I see it I will.

If both wormholes did somehow, manage by, an amazing fluke to connect to the same gate they would probably just exit as normal, unless someone else entered at the exact same time that you did, now this is really pushing your luck, it would be almost impossible for this to happen, but if they did your molecules would simply reamterialize inside his and his would materialize inside yours, you would both probably die, so thats not good.

Owen Macri

[Seastallion]

I agree with you, the chances of that actually happening are huge, sorry I didn't read the last half of the post because I haven't seen Reckoning yet, but when I see it I will.

If both wormholes did somehow, manage by, an amazing fluke to connect to the same gate they would probably just exit as normal, unless someone else entered at the exact same time that you did, now this is really pushing your luck, it would be almost impossible for this to happen, but if they did your molecules would simply reamterialize inside his and his would materialize inside yours, you would both probably die, so thats not good.

Owen Macri

There is also the chance that with all the extra power, that the travellers would be thrown through the gate at a very high velocity... and that wouldn't be good either. If the force were strong enough, they could end up as goo on the wall... Either, way... it just isn't a good idea to try.

[_Owen_]

I didn't even think of that, nice work, that might be a good way to turn the stargate into a weapon, you could shoot through it and the bullets would come out at super high speeds. All of the extra energy being put into the gate by the sending gate to power the recieving event horizon would have to go somewhere, being released as an addition in kinetic energy to the person seems logical, otherwise the stargate would blow up like in redemption.

Owen Macri

[solar wind]

I don't know how to quote just a section of a post or I would quote what Owen Macri said about the wormhole being like drag racing. I agree, the gate doesn't control the wormhole so everyone should arrive in the order they entered.
But the time the wormhole was lost because the sending gate was destroyed, while Teal'c hadn't been rematerialized yet, the point of destination gate (this time ours on earth) still had the imprint of Teal'c in it's memory. So maybe in certain situations the gate can control the order in which objects are rematerialized.
But still this is quite different because the wormhole is still active and so what's keeping it from sending it's occupents right out the event horizon, since as we've already established, the stargate doesn't control the wormhole.

[_Owen_]

First, you can quote a section by highliging it, copying it with either "control + c" or right click and select copy. Then go to your quick reply box and put in the tag [Quote =(name of person)] (do not put spaces in the tag) then after the tag paste the text using either "control + v" or right click and select paste, then after your text put the tag [ /Quote] (once again with no spaces in the tag).

The reason the imprint was still in the gate was because the imprint is sent before the energy so that when the energy gets there it can easily be materialized, if the information was sent after the energy, the energy would simply be released through the event horizon as pure energy. If it went at the same time some energy would be released through the event horizon because the gate would likley need to process the information first. In the situation in "48 Hours" the gate deactivated before the energy got there but after the information was recieved by the gate.

Owen Macri

[solar wind]

The reason the imprint was still in the gate was because the imprint is sent before the energy so that when the energy gets there it can easily be materialized, if the information was sent after the energy, the energy would simply be released through the event horizon as pure energy. If it went at the same time some energy would be released through the event horizon because the gate would likley need to process the information first. In the situation in "48 Hours" the gate deactivated before the energy got there but after the information was recieved by the gate.

I think it worked, thanks!
And what you say makes alot of sense. The wormhole would have to be cut off in order to keep anything or anyone from coming through. But that's not a good exercise to be playing with anyway.

[_Owen_]

No problem.

But that's not a good exercise to be playing with anyway.

lol, I agree.

Owen Macri

[Col. Newman]

This is what I think. they say on the show that matter can only travel one way through a wormhole, but they wouldn't know that because the gate converts all matter to energy I believe that the gate just has a safe guard so that there is no collisions or anything in transit that is why things can only go though an "outgoing" wormholes

[Seastallion]

I didn't even think of that, nice work, that might be a good way to turn the stargate into a weapon, you could shoot through it and the bullets would come out at super high speeds. All of the extra energy being put into the gate by the sending gate to power the recieving event horizon would have to go somewhere, being released as an addition in kinetic energy to the person seems logical, otherwise the stargate would blow up like in redemption.

Owen Macri

Yeah, that was basically what happened in that one episode (can't remember the name...). They got thrown through the gate, because of some explosion even though that wasn't the velocity they entered at. I think it was the same episode where they found the Antartic gate. *wince* I really thought that looked like it would've had to hurt if it were real... ouch..! Daniel said he was thrown so hard he didn't even see the floor coming... and then BAM!! Then he was knocked out cold...

[_Owen_]

Technically, a wormhole can transfer matter and energy two ways. It does not allow matter to pass through the wormhole at all, the event horizon converts it into energy, objects can only travel one way, energy can pass through the wormhole both ways because it doesn't have to be de and rematerialize.

Sorry if I confused you, if you don't understand just ask.

Owen Macri

[Col. Newman]

Technically, a wormhole can transfer matter and energy two ways. It does not allow matter to pass through the wormhole at all, the event horizon converts it into energy, objects can only travel one way, energy can pass through the wormhole both ways because it doesn't have to be de and rematerialize.

Sorry if I confused you, if you don't understand just ask.

Owen Macri

but i thought that the gate converts matter to energy not the wormhole because the event horizon of the wormhole is like the door way to a different dimension and if the gate is converting the matter to energy then in theory it could do it on both ends of a worm hole, but it doesn't as a safeguard or something. That just my little theory

[Seastallion]

but i thought that the gate converts matter to energy not the wormhole because the event horizon of the wormhole is like the door way to a different dimension and if the gate is converting the matter to energy then in theory it could do it on both ends of a worm hole, but it doesn't as a safeguard or something. That just my little theory

I suppose it would be possible to use, say, an Asgard beaming technology to send people both ways. However, the gate itself would prevent just walking through. For one thing, it is set up one way. It could very well be that having people going both ways would interfere with the way in which the stargate operates. It uses crystals within to store the pattern of an individual, then transmit it to the other gate via the wormhole where the person is reconstituted. However, the gate can only do one or the other at a time. If it is recieving a pattern, it can't store a new pattern on its side to transmit back. If it the gate is sending a pattern, it can't simultaneously recieve a pattern too. So you see, it it is a hardware problem, not necessarily a transmission problem. We have seen an energy-based life-form come back through an out-going wormhole. (It was the episode where they sent the MALP to one of the addresses recieved from the Ancients repository, and then that energy thing took over Carter's body, placing her in the base's computer main-frame.) So, it is technically possible, it is just outside the Stargate's normal mode of operation. I imagine the Ancients might have built it that way as a security feature.

[Col. Newman]

However, the gate can only do one or the other at a time. If it is recieving a pattern, it can't store a new pattern on its side to transmit back. If it the gate is sending a pattern, it can't simultaneously recieve a pattern too. So you see, it is a hardware problem, not necessarily a transmission problem.

well i think it would have been easy for the ancients to have a two way star gate system. All the gates would need is 2 Transmitter/receivers.

I imagine the Ancients might have built it that way as a security feature.

I just think they choose not to build it Two Way. I like your idea that it is a built in security feature. And remember rings can transmit and receive at the same time