- I'm pretty sure Deep Space Nine did this story in 1997
- that the locals speak flawless English--including slang--after 2000 years have passed. I know English has been a continuous conceit of the franchise, but SGU has been very very good about doing away with such things. And languages evolve even across decades, never mind centuries or even millennia
- these people have been living on this planet for 30 years....and they're still living in tents?
- how is it that Wray (apparently) has descendants?
- is 80-odd people (actually probably closer to 50 or 60, subtracting casualties) really enough of a genetic base to be viable for survival?
- I can understand our people living in primitive-ish homes/cabins, but did they en masse decide to embrace Amish fashion sense or what?
- Er....volcanic winter shouldn't have any bearing on whether or not the city-planet's gate works or not (this may still be resolved in an upcoming episode, I don't know)
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"A society grows great when old men plant trees, the shade of which they know they will never sit in. Good people do things for other people. That's it, the end." -- Penelope Wilton in Ricky Gervais's After LifeTags: None
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Originally posted by DigiFluid View Post[list][*]I'm pretty sure Deep Space Nine did this story in 1997]
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I also remember a DS9 episode with similar concept.
As for Wray they never made it clear if she's a lesbian or a bi, if it's the later she could have started a family with a man or she could use one of the men as a sperm donor.
Another thing that bug me was that they suppose to be extremely advance (from the technological level of Earth in the series + 2000 years) and they didn't know what a spaceship is? C'mon!
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one thing that bugged me was that they should be along the evolutionary time line more then us they should have powers or be close to ascending like the ancients since the asgard did once mention we were close to the ancients path since they said Jack was a step further and I would guess the rest of the humans on earth aren't far behind
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Yeah, Wray seems like the type to [insert suggestive euphemism here] (god, even that came out wrong, you just can't win) if it meant the community would prosper.
Languages evolve when you have something to evolve from. With no outside influence, language is not likely to change, especially since they have video of how people talked back then.
The people on the planet have been living in tents because they don't have the resources to build homes. One must presume that they lack the skills to do so. So should Destiny's crew, but maybe someone in the crew has experience in the area.
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Originally posted by DigiFluid View Post- I'm pretty sure Deep Space Nine did this story in 1997
- that the locals speak flawless English--including slang--after 2000 years have passed. I know English has been a continuous conceit of the franchise, but SGU has been very very good about doing away with such things. And languages evolve even across decades, never mind centuries or even millennia
- these people have been living on this planet for 30 years....and they're still living in tents?
- how is it that Wray (apparently) has descendants?
- is 80-odd people (actually probably closer to 50 or 60, subtracting casualties) really enough of a genetic base to be viable for survival?
- I can understand our people living in primitive-ish homes/cabins, but did they en masse decide to embrace Amish fashion sense or what?
- Er....volcanic winter shouldn't have any bearing on whether or not the city-planet's gate works or not (this may still be resolved in an upcoming episode, I don't know)
Also.. Lesbians able to reproduce. Its not like they loose the ability when they come out or something.
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The only thing that bothers me is the language staying the same. I suppose their access to the kino footage of the original crew, and their almost deification of them may have led to them holding on to it somehow? That's the only way I can rationalise it, and even that doesn't really work.
DS9 probably got it from somewhere else to begin with, the tents I can live with, being a lesbian doesn't make you infertile, genetic diversity was covered in another thread - maths checked out and yeah, I expect the gate question to be covered in Epilogue. In fact I suspect the last four episodes will be almost a four-parter.
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Originally posted by DigiFluid View PostI'm pretty sure Deep Space Nine did this story in 1997Originally posted by DigiFluid View Postthat the locals speak flawless English--including slang--after 2000 years have passed.Originally posted by DigiFluid View Postthese people have been living on this planet for 30 years....and they're still living in tents?Originally posted by DigiFluid View Posthow is it that Wray (apparently) has descendants?Originally posted by DigiFluid View Postis 80-odd people (actually probably closer to 50 or 60, subtracting casualties) really enough of a genetic base to be viable for survival?Originally posted by DigiFluid View PostI can understand our people living in primitive-ish homes/cabins, but did they en masse decide to embrace Amish fashion sense or what?Originally posted by DigiFluid View PostEr....volcanic winter shouldn't have any bearing on whether or not the city-planet's gate works or not (this may still be resolved in an upcoming episode, I don't know)
I don't disagree with you often Digi, but this is one of those times. The only thing that bugged me about this episode is that it had an ending. Seriously, this was one of those episodes that sent shivers down my spine at times. The last episode to do that was SGA's "Before I Sleep."sigpic
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1.) I don't know if DS9 did this episode and I don't care; originality is very rare these days. I am content with the Stargate spin on the story.
2.) These are not humans seeded by the Ancients; they are the actual descendent's of the Destiny crew, who all speak English. I agree that there are likely to be some linguistic evolutions over two thousand years, but since they were already speaking a fully developed language, I don't think that it's too hard to believe that English remained pretty much the same. And in fact there was a lot of development; the whole "country of Young" = "country of the young" thing is testament to that, along with Rush being seen as either a demon or a savior.
3.) They never intended to stay there; they were always holding out the hope that they could return to Novus, and I doubt many would have been content with simply setting up a new civilization there without any support from their home world.
4.) I'm sure that Wray put aside her homosexuality for the sake of the colony.
5.) If every couple had three or four children, then the population would quadruple in roughly half a decade, and would continue to grow exponentially since they had setting up a colony as their goal. I don't think there would have been any problems at all. Plus, the way Scott gets through women he could probably sustain the colony all by himself.
6.) Their "fashion sense" is dictated by whatever materials they could find on the planet. After thirty years, I doubt that many of the clothes from Novus themselves survived, and even if they did, they would have had to make new clothes for the children being born on the planet.
7.) We still do not know what happened to the gate; this will likely be resolved in the next episode, "Epilogue". For all we know the gate could have been right on top of the super volcano.
Stop picking holes and just enjoy one of the best episodes of the entire series.
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