Caine's group - discussion

[Ouroboros]

Here's an idea, open the shuttle door like 2cm just for some fresh air instead of, you know, all the damn way.

Or poke a hole in the roof/remove a panel and light a fire under it. There were trees everywhere and they were even chopping them down. Where did all the wood go?

You could have turned that shuttle into a perfectly serviceable house with probably less than a days work, but like I and many others have said... idiots.

They all froze to death because they couldn't contrive any way to modify the shuttle to find a simple happy medium between "airtight suffocation deathtrap" and "howling wind strips the flesh from your bones through the wide open door".

Making something not airtight is about as hard as bashing the **** out of it until it isn't airtight anymore. Cavemen could do this.

[Python]

This is not a show that will spell every little detail out to the audience.

You needed confirmation from JM on all those questions too. Admit it.

As to creating a character without soul, that depends on what you thought of the character, I thought he did have a soul an was quite deep for a character that only appear in a few episodes.

He said himself that he didn't have one. That detail actually was spelled out.

[Nth Chevron]

They appeared out of nowhere, in a brand new shuttle off' the assembly line, they give people weird feelings that rattle them to their soul when they get within proximity, they also have an existing crew member who is becoming fish creature of the blue lagoon locked up somewhere, to top it all off, they starting spontaneously dying.

Wouldnt you be a little weirded out? especially as a couple of them try and reintegrate like nothing happened, wouldnt have worked, 3 months of absence over tenuous circumstances doesnt disappear the moment they walk back through the door. Seemed tome they all tried to reintegrate a little too quickly, they would have know people wouldnt accept them back that fast, under such circumstances and not knowing what else has happened to Destiny and to Chloe.

N.C

[Ian-S]

A natural death isn't like an on/off switch, it can take a considerable amount of time from once the process starts (in this case hypothermia), to everything actually shutting down (unless you are extremely lucky and die instantly due to some sort of trauma or blood/limb loss).

I took it that Caine was still alive when the light aliens turned up, but his body was "beyond the point of no return" so like the others, they restored him to good health temporarily, but once he was back on the ship and starting to remember, his "body" returned to it's severe hypothermia and then the process continued and he eventually died off screen, they only had blankets to help him, and that's not enough to bring someone back from Severe Hypothermia, you also need a cocktail of drugs and a lot of luck.

[xxxevilgrinxxx]

Caine's group return from the Faith planet, instead of welcome, they were treated like unwanted guest.They were tested , isolated , and interviewed (or interrogated)

I know the crew was only being cautious , and Young was only trying to protect the the rest of the crew .

But the way the crews treated craine's group wasn't not the their best.
Not wanting to touch them or look them in their eyes.


Caine's people's last chance of saying goodbye ,and die with their people , were probably ruined.

Would the crew feel guilty or ashame for their action?

They ARE unwelcome guests. People that should not be there that just show up like that? They should be tested, isolated and interrogated.

It's a perfectly human reaction and we have those instincts for a reason. Hell, they should be glad they didn't get blown out of the sky before they got close
If they feel any guilt at all, it's maybe about not insisting harder that those people didn't stay on the Faith planet at all.

[xxxevilgrinxxx]

Why did they rely solely on the shuttle itself to protect them from the harsh winter? Especially knowing they had to keep it open for ventilation no way they could keep it warm in that state.
Plus why did they not have a fire going. There were plenty of wood they could have used for firewood and all they made are candles??
They had many months to prepare, they could have at least insulated the shuttle a bit better.

because they kept believing that the magical aliens were going to take care of them and so never bothered to take care of themselves

[Jes]

Why did they rely solely on the shuttle itself to protect them from the harsh winter? Especially knowing they had to keep it open for ventilation no way they could keep it warm in that state.
Plus why did they not have a fire going. There were plenty of wood they could have used for firewood and all they made are candles??
They had many months to prepare, they could have at least insulated the shuttle a bit better.

It is like Greer said, a bunch of scientist types with no survival skills at all. Those college degrees aren't going to crawl out of a frame off a wall and do anything on their own.

Notice they never huddled to share body heat during the cold. After a person died they left the blankets on the dead person rather than the living using them. A fire a bit from the door of the shuttle would have worked wonders. That shuttle would have trapped heat nicely. Closing the door for periods of time and opening it to vent air would have helped as well.

They also never found a food source to harvest during the winter or something that wouldn't ruin for extended periods of time. It didn't strike me they had even thought of a seasonal pattern to the weather until it started getting cold. No effort made to even construct primative huts/tents. No animals to make new clothes/Fur coats from. All in all, it was a foolish idea by a group of people that likely hadn't ever been camping since they were kids.

[Shai Hulud]

because they kept believing that the magical aliens were going to take care of them and so never bothered to take care of themselves

That^

[Eestlanna]

Why did they rely solely on the shuttle itself to protect them from the harsh winter?

There is no logical explanation. They had an ax and plenty of trees growing right next to them. Even I could build a cabin like this. But there were strong men who could easily do in a day or so.

[Blackhole]

Shelter wasn’t their major concern. Remember there wasn't any animal life; getting enough protein could have been a problem. Foraging for enough food would have been difficult and even if they were able to gather enough they would have needed to be able to preserve and store it. There is a lot to know and do to survive a harsh winter. I doubt they had the requisite skills and supplies to successfully do so. Settling there was suicidal.

[Eestlanna]

Shelter wasn’t their major concern.

It seems that it was as they did freeze to death. If they did. Maybe they are still living on that planet and all this is just a game played by Destiny.

[knowles2]

I thought the same as many people have said in this thread, that the survivors should have build better shelter.

The only way to explain why they did not do this is if they thought they had much longer period of summer time, an focus on finding food an experimenting on how to dry it out or keeping it in storage for long periods of time. An then winter came out of no where an so they ran out of time.

But anyone with half a brain, a few tools an a couple of months of time plenty of wood could of built adequate shelter for the winter.
Obviously the next problem is food an the correct type of food.

I personally would of wrote the story that they got through most of the winter but then there food supplies ran out an they simply died of starvation. Which is much more likely Hyperthermia.

[The Mighty 6 platoon]

In my experience the average person knows very little about how to survive in the wild. Drop them there, or hell just the countryside and you can watch them flounder. A bunch of scientists who were fixated with the idea that the magical aliens were going to save them? Well that's even worse.

[DigiFluid]

Ways that Caine & co. could have survived, even for a little longer, if they weren't so completely and utterly incompetent:

• actually BUILD shelters
• not park the shuttle in the middle of a windswept field, but in a valley or behind a hill to shelter from the wind
• not park the shuttle with its open back door facing directly into the wind
• pull the shuttle door most of the way shut at night instead of relying on rags hanging in the doorway to block the wind
• kept a supply of firewood dry inside the shuttle
• huddled together for warmth instead of sitting all apart
• not listened to Caine in the first place
• not listened to a guy named Cain(e) on matters of religion

Your turn. Serious or for a laugh, whichever you please.

[Wayston]

Why did they rely solely on the shuttle itself to protect them from the harsh winter? Especially knowing they had to keep it open for ventilation no way they could keep it warm in that state.
Plus why did they not have a fire going. There were plenty of wood they could have used for firewood and all they made are candles??
They had many months to prepare, they could have at least insulated the shuttle a bit better.

I assume the need to keep the shuttle open arose AFTER it broke down. The shuttle is air tight, but undoubtedly there was some way to purge CO2 and replenish its oxygen supply automatically while it was still working. Their main failure was them counting on any technology whatsoever to keep them alive, but they had no other way since they were so few in numbers and completely unskilled in survival.

and also it's VERY hard to build a proper shelter from scratch without tools or knowledge on the subject. Doing stuff like that is very trial and error and when you error in nature chances are you find out with your face when it is too late. Not to mention we have no idea how severe the winter weather was, it could have been a lot more severe and longer than we're used to on earth.