One last recharge

[Blackhole]

Destiny cannot find Starsystems that easily! It knows its path thanks to the Seedships, out and about Destiny has NOTHING! It cannot and will never be able to Scan planets Millions of Lightyears away and it surely cant do so while in FTL. The only option is dropping out now and then and that would risk everyones lifes if power runs out. Rush knew exactly that it would carry to much risk and therefore agreed to the Pod solution. They went into the blue star because they guessed that the it would be out of the Drones search pattern and luckily guessed right. It was already in Destinys Databanks because it was right on Destinys path, just not suitable for recharge.

From where do you get your 88.5% anyways?

If Destiny doesn't have the sensor capacity to find star systems how is suppose to navigate to the edge of the galaxy and then around and to the next galaxy?

Maybe the problem is you don't have a basic understanding of astronomy? Destiny will pass millions of star systems along its course to the next galaxy. 88.5% of them have stars that Destiny can easily refuel in.

88.5% came from Quadhellix in an earlier post in this thread.

[Blackhole]

How is Destiny supposed to know that it is just passing a suitable Sun?

The same way it has been for a million years - with its sensors.

[tomstone]

If Destiny doesn't have the sensor capacity to find star systems how is suppose to navigate to the edge of the galaxy and then around and to the next galaxy?

Maybe the problem is you don't have a basic understanding of astronomy? Destiny will pass millions of star systems along its course to the next galaxy. 88.5% of them have stars that Destiny can easily refuel in.

88.5% came from Quadhellix in an earlier post in this thread.

I know enough about astronomy, but we should go by the Info we get in the Episodes and not real facts. If this Plan was worth persuing, and as easy to do as you say, then why didnt they mention even a tiny bit of it? It sure would have been useful to think of before everyone says goodbye and jumps in their Pods for 3 - 1000 Years.

The same way it has been for a million years - with its sensors.

With the Data of the Seedships, Destiny ran right into the faith Planet. Some nice Sensors Destiny got there.

[Blackhole]

I know enough about astronomy, but we should go by the Info we get in the Episodes and not real facts. If this Plan was worth persuing, and as easy to do as you say, then why didnt they mention even a tiny bit of it? It sure would have been useful to think of before everyone says goodbye and jumps in their Pods for 3 - 1000 Years.

With the Data of the Seedships, Destiny ran right into the faith Planet. Some nice Sensors Destiny got there.

As I have said several times - My entire point is that the implied scarcity of stars along the way is a plot contrivance to create a sense of dramatic urgency for the episode. Given the rules of the Stargate universe that have existed so far, it is baseless. Destiny should be able to locate and refuel in any one of the millions of suitable stars along the way of its 3 year FTL course to the next galaxy.

[morbosfist]

You are arguing nits and you know it. Whether the statement: "if Eli's calculations are off" refers to the distance they have to travel or the power required to traverse that distance is irrelevant. The point of the exchange is that the margin of safety to successfully arrive at the destination is extremely small and the consequence for failure very dire.

Nevertheless, Eli's margin of error isn't so small as you claim, and was independently verified to be worth it.

Again you are arguing nits or you don't understand the dimensions of a galaxy. Even if the stars were off the path they weren't off by much. Eli's proposed course is to the outside of the galaxy and then around the edge to a point of proximity to the next galaxy and then across the void to it. Our galaxy has 100 billion stars the one Destiny is currently in 300 billion. Our galaxy is 100 thousand light-years across. Destiny's galaxy is therefore likely to be far larger.

The distance to the edge of the galaxy from the seeder ship's path could be hundreds of thousands of light-years. The number of stars Destiny will pass on its route to the edge of the galaxy could be in the hundreds of millions. To suggest the Drones will be able to blockade all those stars is ridiculous. And to suggest Destiny can not or should not refuel along the way is even more ridiculous.

Point is they were off the path and still guarded. The drones obviously have a wide net. Destiny can only go on its preset path. "Faith" demonstrated this. It can't scan the entire galaxy, and they certainly can't just fly in a random direction. They'd hit something.

If there are enough drones to guard every gate, then that means there are massive amounts of drones who can and must have the ability to build more of themselves. Depending on how old these things are, there very well could be enough to guard every viable star on and near the path. Destiny can't (and won't under autopilot) go very far off its intended course, so getting around them just isn't an option.

Again nits. Whether Rush's statement is an estimation or certainty is irrelevant. The point being made is the gates and stars along the seeder ship's path are likely blockaded. Vis a vis the necessity for Eli's new bypass course to the next galaxy.

And the ones off the path proved to be blockaded. Even assuming they could find a usable star, they'd have to go way off course to do it. They can't gather food or water in their current state, so they'd run out doing this. And depending on how far they go, that's more power wasted, possibly as much as they used up just doing it in the first place.

You're stuck on this idea that they can just find some star and recharge, when it's made pretty clear that Destiny has a path to follow and straying from it doesn't work that well. It doesn't matter how many stars are out there. Getting to them is the problem.

[Shylodog]

Even IF they found another star not blockaded by the drones, it's likely it would have to be a star that they'd have to send the crew off the ship for again. That's why the drone data in relation to the gates is so important. They can't gate off the ship.

The power issue is not the point anyway. The problem that Destiny is facing is that they are running out of food. They cannot gate off to get food, so they needed to bypass the drone domain to get somewhere that they could get food. The power issue became a problem because they needed to implement the end-run around the drones.

[Blackhole]

Nevertheless, Eli's margin of error isn't so small as you claim, and was independently verified to be worth it.

It is pointless to debate with you when you completely ignore what was clearly said in the transcript.

Point is they were off the path and still guarded. The drones obviously have a wide net. Destiny can only go on its preset path. "Faith" demonstrated this. It can't scan the entire galaxy, and they certainly can't just fly in a random direction. They'd hit something.

Your replies are now just plain silly. That is not the point. If Destiny can only go on a preset path then how is it going to follow Eli's new galaxy course? And why would Destiny need to scan an entire galaxy? I have made it clear it just needs to scan the stars it passes along Eli's new course.

If there are enough drones to guard every gate, then that means there are massive amounts of drones who can and must have the ability to build more of themselves. Depending on how old these things are, there very well could be enough to guard every viable star on and near the path. Destiny can't (and won't under autopilot) go very far off its intended course, so getting around them just isn't an option.

Again your reply is just plain silly. If the Drones have the nearly infinite numbers to guard every star in the current galaxy then they can easily guard every star in the next galaxy. If that is the case, then Destiny is doomed wherever it goes and it is pointless to do anything.

And the ones off the path proved to be blockaded. Even assuming they could find a usable star, they'd have to go way off course to do it. They can't gather food or water in their current state, so they'd run out doing this. And depending on how far they go, that's more power wasted, possibly as much as they used up just doing it in the first place.

Again your reply is just plain silly. I have made it clear that there is is absolutely no reason they would ever have to go off course. There will be millions of suitable stars they will pass along their 3 year course, anyone of which they could easily stop at to refuel.

You're stuck on this idea that they can just find some star and recharge, when it's made pretty clear that Destiny has a path to follow and straying from it doesn't work that well. It doesn't matter how many stars are out there. Getting to them is the problem.

Again, another silly reply. There is no problem finding anyone of millions of suitable stars along their path.

It is very very simple. Eli programs Destiny's new course and instructs the ship to as needed, refuel at any suitable star along the way. Period. End of discussion.

[Blackhole]

Even IF they found another star not blockaded by the drones, it's likely it would have to be a star that they'd have to send the crew off the ship for again. That's why the drone data in relation to the gates is so important. They can't gate off the ship.

The power issue is not the point anyway. The problem that Destiny is facing is that they are running out of food. They cannot gate off to get food, so they needed to bypass the drone domain to get somewhere that they could get food. The power issue became a problem because they needed to implement the end-run around the drones.

Why? If you have followed this thread, 88.5% of the stars they will encounter are suitable to refuel in and will not require the crew to disembark. The ship could easily be programed to refuel as needed at any suitable star along the way.

[garhkal]

Nevertheless, Eli's margin of error isn't so small as you claim, and was independently verified to be worth it.

By whom?? The same people who said his math was solid for the dial home in a star??

As for the command ships.. They only seemed to be on planets that had gates on.. So why not hit a planet in between via using the shuttles to gather food.

[morbosfist]

It is pointless to debate with you when you completely ignore what was clearly said in the transcript.

Goes both ways. I can prove the context. You cannot.

Your replies are now just plain silly. That is not the point. If Destiny can only go on a preset path then how is it going to follow Eli's new galaxy course? And why would Destiny need to scan an entire galaxy? I have made it clear it just needs to scan the stars it passes along Eli's new course.

Eli's course isn't new. It's a straight shot, no stopping. It doesn't have to correct because it knows what's there.

It cannot scan things in FTL, as has been proven multiple times. It nearly ran into a star that it didn't know was there.

Again your reply is just plain silly. If the Drones have the nearly infinite numbers to guard every star in the current galaxy then they can easily guard every star in the next galaxy. If that is the case, then Destiny is doomed wherever it goes and it is pointless to do anything.

Why would they go to the next galaxy? They can't know there are gates all the way out there unless they've already been there. They're in this galaxy, and presumably no others.

Again your reply is just plain silly. I have made it clear that there is is absolutely no reason they would ever have to go off course. There will be millions of suitable stars they will pass along their 3 year course, anyone of which they could easily stop at to refuel.

And all of which the drones will more than likely guard against exactly that sort of thing. Now I see why you're so set on this. You think the drones, having clearly established a strategy to deal with Destiny, are suddenly going to abandon it.

Again, another silly reply. There is no problem finding anyone of millions of suitable stars along their path.

It is very very simple. Eli programs Destiny's new course and instructs the ship to as needed, refuel at any suitable star along the way. Period. End of discussion.

See above. It is a problem if the drones are there and blow the ship up, which they almost certainly would be.

[Blackhole]

Goes both ways. I can prove the context. You cannot.

Go ahead.

Eli's course isn't new. It's a straight shot, no stopping. It doesn't have to correct because it knows what's there.

Of Course it is new. Eli just devised it.

It cannot scan things in FTL, as has been proven multiple times. It nearly ran into a star that it didn't know was there.

Fine, list examples.

Why would they go to the next galaxy? They can't know there are gates all the way out there unless they've already been there. They're in this galaxy, and presumably no others.

They know there are gates in this galaxy. It certainly wouldn't be much of a stretch to conclude there are gates in the next galaxy and that is where Destiny will go when it leaves this one.

And all of which the drones will more than likely guard against exactly that sort of thing. Now I see why you're so set on this. You think the drones, having clearly established a strategy to deal with Destiny, are suddenly going to abandon it.

What thing? I don't think that at all.

See above. It is a problem if the drones are there and blow the ship up, which they almost certainly would be.

What?

[tomstone]

It cannot scan things in FTL, as has been proven multiple times. It nearly ran into a star that it didn't know was there.

Fine, list examples.

He just did but fine:

1. "Faith" Planet
2. Those radiation Stars from the Finale in Season 1.

Sorry, there hasnt been more, but 2 should be enough, though I know it wont.

[morbosfist]

Go ahead.

Sigh, you're just being purposefully difficult now.

BRODY: How much will we fall short?

RUSH: Fifty thousand light years, give or take.

BRODY: Just a few percent of the total.

RUSH: Yeah.

Right there. Percent is distance.

Of Course it is new. Eli just devised it.

Eli didn't devise a new course. Only Chloe can do that. All he suggested was that they not bother stopping.

Fine, list examples.

Faith: Cannot see star.
Resurgence: Cannot see Control Ship.
Gauntlet: Cannot see Control Ship until they literally stop on top of it.

Proof positive. They can't see in FTL, and never have.

They know there are gates in this galaxy. It certainly wouldn't be much of a stretch to conclude there are gates in the next galaxy and that is where Destiny will go when it leaves this one.

Which galaxy? There are any number of galaxies any number of directions from Destiny that do not emit any signal capable of reaching across the span of a galaxy.

What thing? I don't think that at all.

Destiny has already proven it goes a certain way and uses certain stars. You're acting like the drones will, for no reason, suddenly decide to abandon this strategy and leave all those nice stars ahead of Destiny ripe for the picking.

[Blackhole]

He just did but fine:

1. "Faith" Planet
2. Those radiation Stars from the Finale in Season 1.

Sorry, there hasnt been more, but 2 should be enough, though I know it wont.

I don't remember. Please elaborate what happened that illustrates your point.

[GoodSmeagol]

I don't remember. Please elaborate what happened that illustrates your point.

They dropped out of FTL because the faith planets sun gravitational force was not on destinys database, and it caused the ship to drop out of ftl for a month to reconfigure its course.
If destiny could scan while in ftl, it would have adjusted it course before having to spend a month to do so.