The civilizatioin they created on Novus: Libertarian or Socialist?

[Duneknight]

wouldve been cool if there was a revolution at some point against Young.

[Keeper]

wouldve been cool if there was a revolution at some point against Young.

didn't you watch the kino diaries?


brody's bunch made Futura.


2000 years later they are (as stated in common descent) capable of nuclear war, and a little over 30 years before the episode the tensions betweent hem were pretty high.

threatening to wipe out young's descendants is about as big a revolution as you can have.

[Duneknight]

didn't you watch the kino diaries?


brody's bunch made Futura.


2000 years later they are (as stated in common descent) capable of nuclear war, and a little over 30 years before the episode the tensions betweent hem were pretty high.

threatening to wipe out young's descendants is about as big a revolution as you can have.

they didnt show that in the kino. i know it happened but why couldnt they show that tension in full force in the kino?? Anyway a separation is not the same as a revolution. And we still don't really know why that took place (damn kids wont get off his lawn?).

[Keeper]

they didnt show that in the kino.

actually they did show the departure - at least, from chloe's point of view.

i know it happened but why couldnt they show that tension in full force in the kino??

time, and the tensions may have taken a few generations to develop fully - nuclear weapons don't happen in a day or two. and the kino diaries were of the crew, not their descendants.

Anyway a separation is not the same as a revolution.

isn't it? if a chunk of whatever country you're in decided to set up it's own government, laws et cetera, you wouldn't call that a revolution? local, yes, but it IS a revolution.

over time, having your country develop equally well as the mother country, and being able to point weapons at each other equally, says that brody's little walkout did develop into a solid community, not something that was just a bit of heat that was forgotten about. they did more than fine without young, or his people - they did well enough to challenge young's country.

And we still don't really know why that took place (damn kids wont get off his lawn?).

actually, we do have a pretty good idea. from the start, he was tense, always waiting for rush to save them. he was fighting with eli, blaming everyone else for the disaster - and the smartest guy on the planet IS eli (stated several times over several episodes in the past that the SGC people see eli as an equal in brainpower - and mckay having a polite conversation with anyone, without trying to show them as stupid, is a shining example of it.)

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Keeper,

isn't it? if a chunk of whatever country you're in decided to set up it's own government, laws et cetera, you wouldn't call that a revolution? local, yes, but it IS a revolution.

No, it's really not. Particularly, if the moved a long way from the original settlement. They staked their own claim to true Terra Nova over which the original community has never had any control.

[LordRush]

didn't you watch the kino diaries?


brody's bunch made Futura.


2000 years later they are (as stated in common descent) capable of nuclear war, and a little over 30 years before the episode the tensions betweent hem were pretty high.

threatening to wipe out young's descendants is about as big a revolution as you can have.

I remember Brody was pretty pissed at Eli. Him and others probably got sick and tired of Young barking orders and telling them what to do 'FIX IT NAO! DONT ANALYZE IT JUST FIX IT'! along with other reasons let the revolution commence!

[Duneknight]

I remember Brody was pretty pissed at Eli. Him and others probably got sick and tired of Young barking orders and telling them what to do 'FIX IT NAO! DONT ANALYZE IT JUST FIX IT'! along with other reasons let the revolution commence!

yes i remember the one also about where to build the colony. Brody wanted to stay away from the flat lands. We are supposed to believe that was the reason they were gonna nuke each other into oblivion.

[Keeper]

yes i remember the one also about where to build the colony. Brody wanted to stay away from the flat lands. We are supposed to believe that was the reason they were gonna nuke each other into oblivion.

the only reason? obviously not. it's supposed to show that there WAS a lot of tension between brody and several others in the group though - and that it was there from the start.

if you've ever worked in a group where 2 people just don't get along, from day 1, then it's pretty uncomfortable for everyone there. but it's even worse when one person just doesn't get along with ANYbody in the entire group, and the tension will grow, sometimes despite any tries to fix it.

young stepped in to keep things civil, but he also hoped they were adult enough to get over it. do that a few times, realise that people aren't going to change, and it can be a bit too late to sit down to talk to them about it - just hope it doesn't get any worse. in this case, it obviously did.

the nukes wouldn't have come from the first, few generations, at least - they'd have taken time to get there. over that time, the two groups have plenty of time to come up with more reasons not to like each other. that;s their stories though - the kino diaries were mainly just the stories of the original settlers.

[Duneknight]

I just wish they had illustrated to us how that tension developed.

[Keeper]

in the time allocated, it would have been impossible to accurately document 2000 years of history. not to mention that they'd have to hire people to play various parts.

use your imagination, or look around you. it really isn't difficult to think up a few reasons - and tbh, if the writers considered that, they probably thought the same. there doesn't need to be a factual story for everything that happened on novus, they showed the beginning and described the end result.

[Duneknight]

in the time allocated, it would have been impossible to accurately document 2000 years of history. not to mention that they'd have to hire people to play various parts.

use your imagination, or look around you. it really isn't difficult to think up a few reasons - and tbh, if the writers considered that, they probably thought the same. there doesn't need to be a factual story for everything that happened on novus, they showed the beginning and described the end result.

they couldve had Brody's colony get into scuffles with Young's people. Like the stuff we seen in LOST.

[Keeper]

they couldve had Brody's colony get into scuffles with Young's people. Like the stuff we seen in LOST.

1. wrong show.

2. timing. also, while brody, young, and the rest of the original colonists were alive, they probably tried to stay apart a bit more. they'd have been able to find enough resources for basic civilisation without stepping on each others toes. growth and needs would have done more than young and brody to destabalise things.

[morrismike]

wouldve been cool if there was a revolution at some point against Young.

What would be the point?

[morrismike]

yes i remember the one also about where to build the colony. Brody wanted to stay away from the flat lands. We are supposed to believe that was the reason they were gonna nuke each other into oblivion.

Brody was just being smart. Floodplains are a bad place to live.

[morrismike]

I just wish they had illustrated to us how that tension developed.

I'm sure quite a few of them were whiners. It appeared that Young had no beef with them leaving. It's pretty obvious the truly valuable folks didn't leave.