Earth if no Dark Ages?

[Daralundy]

Absolutely wrong. Right wing mean limited government, free enterprise, and personal freedom and responsibility. Exactily the opposite of the statist Nazis.

Nazis were as far away from the left as anyone can be.

Infact they were right wing.

[D Toccs]

Absolutely wrong. Right wing mean limited government, free enterprise, and personal freedom and responsibility. Exactily the opposite of the statist Nazis.

You're wrong. "Right Wing" just means conservative as opposed to liberal.

[An-Alteran]

Nazis were as far away from the left as anyone can be.

Infact they were right wing.

They were as far from the left as anyone can be...
in fact they were right...
redundant much?

Nemesis, I wrote a long, detailed, and historically informed post.

You wrote two sentences saying, essentially, "nuh uh!"

[Infinite-Possibilities]

Do we really need to argue about what constitutes left wing or wight wing? It's beside the point of this thread and is futile because you are both obviously working from two different definitions.

[jsonitsac]

Only three pages and we got to a Godwin. Is this a Gateworld record?

[KEK]

You're wrong. "Right Wing" just means conservative as opposed to liberal.

It really doesn't. In fact conservatism isn't even necessarily at odds with liberalism, let alone right wing politics. The right is to do with capitalism as opposed to socialism, while liberalism is about social issues not economic ones, and the definition of conservatism depends entirely on the context.

[Gurluas]

You're wrong. "Right Wing" just means conservative as opposed to liberal.

Thats a very Americanized way of thinking, is it like that in Australia too?
In America you only have two "Right Wing" parties.
In Europe and most parts of the world, left means Socialist and right means Liberalist.
Conservatism can be both, it really depends on the traditions of the country, they tend to be liberalists however.

[Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble]

I would have a hard time thinking of Nazis as left wing. To me extreme nationalism and very socially conservative are tenants of the right wing. Hitler blamed the SPD for why they lost the war so I doubt he would call himself a socialist.

We are actually discussing the Nazis so not invoking Godwins law. Someone else compared the ep to Nazis.

[Trinary]

Basically, a multi-racial integration that improve the civilization grow faster. Racial sentiments always put a community group into braking mode for any progress that they did. They can't finish anything since they'll reject anything from outside of their circle.

Not only racial by appearances, but also racial by ideologies and theologies will put their group into a time dilation.

[morrismike]

Do we really need to argue about what constitutes left wing or wight wing? It's beside the point of this thread and is futile because you are both obviously working from two different definitions.

There are a lot of folks that desperately clinging to the belief that everything wrong in the world is the fault of hard working taxpayers and the people they vote into office.

[morrismike]

It really doesn't. In fact conservatism isn't even necessarily at odds with liberalism, let alone right wing politics. The right is to do with capitalism as opposed to socialism, while liberalism is about social issues not economic ones, and the definition of conservatism depends entirely on the context.

I would agree with this.

Most right wingers are violently opposed to any restrictions on property usage and means of conducting business. Left wingers seem to prefer a nanny society with everyone a ward of the state. These two circles have a lot of overlap and a lot of empty space in between. The nationalist/protectionist trade policies are the realms of extreme left (Jesse Jackson) and extreme (Pat Buchanan). The major city politicians are lefties and basically confine the minorities to places like Cabrini Greens (a form of concentration) to develop large voting blocks and raise taxes to the extend the manufacturing base must leave (preventing work opportunities). The righties would like more business so they can find work (and ultimately vote right and pay taxes).

People can twist the left and right thing all they want. To say Hitler and Stalin and right wing radicals is a silly argument to make.

[KEK]

The major city politicians are lefties and basically confine the minorities to places like Cabrini Greens (a form of concentration) to develop large voting blocks and raise taxes to the extend the manufacturing base must leave (preventing work opportunities). The righties would like more business so they can find work (and ultimately vote right and pay taxes).

If America is your template for this, then I hate to break it to you but mainstream lefties don't really exist over there. The Republicans and Democrats are both firmly right wing, the Democrats just slightly less so. The left favours socialism, which forces the strong to help the weak, while the right supports capitalism, which encourages the strong to exploit the weak.

[D Toccs]

Thats a very Americanized way of thinking, is it like that in Australia too?
In America you only have two "Right Wing" parties.
In Europe and most parts of the world, left means Socialist and right means Liberalist.
Conservatism can be both, it really depends on the traditions of the country, they tend to be liberalists however.

It's got nothing to do with politics.

In any issue at all, the conservative side is the Right and the liberal side is the Left.

[KEK]

It's got nothing to do with politics.

In any issue at all, the conservative side is the Right and the liberal side is the Left.

No they're not. I can't stress how wrong you are here.

[Gollumpus]

No they're not. I can't stress how wrong you are here.

Chum, it's a sliding scale.

A Democrat is on the political left of his nation's politics. Republicans are on the right of their nations politics. Within those parties are people who hold a more left wing or more right wing view of what is the view of the center of the party.

Compared to Canada, A Democrat is perhaps the equivalent of a right-wing Liberal or a "Red Tory" from the Conservative party. A Republican can be the equivalent of one of our right wing Tories if s/he is a liberal Republican, or they can be something which we see as being to the right of Atilla the Hun.

regards,
G.