'Epilogue' (218) General Discussion

[traylormatt]

I agree with what pretty much everyone has said. I loved this episode. Re work the tiniest bits and it would have made a fantastic ending. If it had been the ending, I would have liked something to happen to Destiny so their mission can't continue, otherwise I just wanna keep knowing what is going on on destiny.

Tj parts were so sad, felt so bad for Young. Loved the look on Eli's face when he found out who he was hooking up with. Camile went on lots of dates since she has been there? Out of everyone, I wonder who she went on the dates with.

I liked how they did address making tools and building homes but didn't linger on it. There will be a lot of debate on what is realistic, but I liked that they addressed it.

I really did not like what Volker said to Rush at the end. Rush has seemed to be trying to help and getting better lately, then he goes and says something like that, but maybe it is just because im such a Rush fan but I just found it unnecessary. But maybe it was just because he saw he would have died etc and that shook him a little. Funny that he was the first to die yet said everyone was fine without him. I know rush would not have been able to help in that instance, but still.

[gaguhan.galore]

1. volker didn't get to pass on his genes. epic fail.
1.5. wray and brody -apparently- also didn't get to pass on their genes, only external accomplishments. another epic fail.
2. greer and park certainly did more than enough to ensure the survival of humanity. epic win.
3. novus spaceships. two fates for em: a) blasted by drones into oblivion, or b) a plot device in a season 3 that could have been ("hello this is the destiny, we've just been screwed over by drones and we would liek to cannibalize what you have going there").
4. exabytes? really? the amount of currently available HD porn alone would likely take up a considerable bulk of the transfer. just a mental exercise...
5. in months to come this would likely be considered SGU's makeshift ending; the last two episodes would set up too many subplots that we'll never see resolved.
6. one of the subplots? the search for "new" novus or encountering other offworld remnants (should the novus ships be proven destroyed later)

[knowles2]

I loved the episode. There not many times I say that about any episode from any TV programme. But this was put together perfectly.

I love the way we see all the crew partnering up. Seeing the city evolve and grow, see the school opening. Even the launch of the spaceship. Park and Geer did there duty.

Volker being the first one to die on the planet was sad and seeing the funeral. Loved seeing Young determination and drive to build a new home and despite all he as built and achieve he still went to his grave blaming himself for not getting them home.
It was sad seeing such proud and strong person such as TJ deterioration. It was funny seeing Brody moaning about the kids and his lawn. An I like Volker and Rush little conversation at the end. An I also like how Rush sole focus was on keeping the crew alive and breathing. It the one thing he has in common with Young, single minded focus on keeping the crew and the ship alive and intact above all else.

I am sad that we will not see season 3, I would especially love to see how Volker character was going going to evolve, especially when TJ starts to show symptoms of her disease. I could imagine him becoming singly mind and completely focus on finding a cure for her condition.

This would have been a good episode to end the show but I am happy we still go two more left.

[spinny magee]

I had to LOL at Brody.

But Damn STFU syfy! The series is going to end with us knowing TJ is going to die because the series couldn't continue

[Trinary]

It felt wrong when not even one Kino feed to show a Stargate and it's jaw dropping event horizon. Else, this episode is a near perfect if not great. The humanity story in it is a thumbs up.

[morrismike]

Likes...

The settlers advanced technologically the way I hoped/figured they would (located iron and what? right away) The writers didn't disappoint. Recording everything (like a culture born of scientists likely would), advanced medical knowledge, ships etc... good stuff.

Some pretty good humor. (elevator music was funny, get off my lawn was hackish)

Completely glossing over the relationship stuff in a SG1/SGA kind of way (which I consider a compliment).

Varro snagging TJ, the woman of his dreams only to be repaid by falling to his almost death. That sounds about right. Kudos for the realism from the writers, thats pretty much how relationships work. Except the part where her ex that still pines for her saves you. Little far fetched.

Dislikes...

Okay, so... Novan's city survives for 2,000 years intact. In the 36? hour window needed to download the database it falls apart? REALLY?! Ugh, its like Atlantis and the disappearing recovered ZPM/Hive ship of the week. They totally could have uploaded it then said its going to take years to get through it or something...

Novan society is based on a series of predictable and random genetic pairings? No multiple partners? No detailed planning? Wray doesn't even contribute? I don't think so...

On the one hand, I liked that they glossed over the dark/gritty emotional stuff... On the other hand, they opened the door to it. Its the point of SGU. Made it the big part of the show. So... everyone just pairs off and lives happily ever after (save for TJ, Brody). Don't deal with the problems of multiple pairings for breeding purposes? Don't explore the controversies/difficulties on Wray with regards to contributing to the gene pool? Magically there are now enough lesbians on the crew for her to have "dates" and be selective as to which is the most compatible, but chooses no one because she found her soul mate? Complete cop out.

angry much? We've been waiting a long time for this level of writing and drama.

Multiple partners are not necessary if you avoid direct relations (2nd cousins or closer). If the first batch of kids have a lot of girls, they'll still be plenty of fellas around from the first batch. If they keep track of that sort of thing they can avoid marriages between people with any level of relation for at least 3 or 4 generations. In truth Wray is like 45 so she'd only have 1 and she may not be able to carry one anyway (after 10 months of malnutrition and being that close to a "change of life").

[morrismike]

I agree with what pretty much everyone has said. I loved this episode. Re work the tiniest bits and it would have made a fantastic ending. If it had been the ending, I would have liked something to happen to Destiny so their mission can't continue, otherwise I just wanna keep knowing what is going on on destiny.

Tj parts were so sad, felt so bad for Young. Loved the look on Eli's face when he found out who he was hooking up with. Camile went on lots of dates since she has been there? Out of everyone, I wonder who she went on the dates with.

I liked how they did address making tools and building homes but didn't linger on it. There will be a lot of debate on what is realistic, but I liked that they addressed it.

I really did not like what Volker said to Rush at the end. Rush has seemed to be trying to help and getting better lately, then he goes and says something like that, but maybe it is just because im such a Rush fan but I just found it unnecessary. But maybe it was just because he saw he would have died etc and that shook him a little. Funny that he was the first to die yet said everyone was fine without him. I know rush would not have been able to help in that instance, but still.

Seriously they found Iron Ore within days of landing on Novas. Not a big stretch to manufacture coke and start making iron. I would focus on Bronze myself because Iron is a pain. They would have been casting axe heads, wedges, mauls, etc. within weeks.

[senilegreen]

Park and Geer did there duty.

More than their duty - one thing that I found charming about this episode is how two of the more likable and decent (straight shooting) people of the crew ended up being among the most "blessed" - long lives with plenty of children and grandchildren. The good guys did finish first here.

Another nice touch was having Wray being the one who lived the longest and basically had the final say, the combination eulogy/lesson of the whole story. She was the outsider in many ways and sometimes it takes a person on the outside to see the big picture.

Volker being the first one to die on the planet was sad and seeing the funeral.

Accurate though, being that those with kidney failure do not live as long.

It was sad seeing such around and strong person such as TJ deteriation.

Nicely carried off, by the actress and the production. Very touching indeed.

It was funny seeing Brody moaning about the kids and his lawn.

Campily funny, but didn't make much sense. The idea of having "lawns" is part of the Anglo home-ownership ideal, and in America is associated with suburbs, etc. Out in the wilderness one doesn't worry about these sort of things.

An I like Volker and Rush little conversation at the end.

I liked that part. It's as if Volker, now knowing how short life truly is, loses some of his fear and inhibition and tells Rush the truth.

[morrismike]

you know what really amazed me was that 80+ people could create a civilization like novus.

Everything we have now is basically a result of Romus and Remulus founding Rome or before that the 100 some people fleeing Troy and landing at Italy.

[DigiFluid]

I know I couldn't get through the day without being able to speak conversational Latin.

[morrismike]

makes ya wonder what kinda civilization we had if we didn't suffer the dark ages.

Sounds like the next SG show. Make stargates big enough for semi's and start colonization.

[senilegreen]

Seriously they found Iron Ore within days of landing on Novas. Not a big stretch to manufacture coke and start making iron. I would focus on Bronze myself because Iron is a pain. They would have been casting axe heads, wedges, mauls, etc. within weeks.

It sounded like what they found was some sort of sediment from effluent (from a hot spring?) with iron compounds.

It's a long way from that to casting axes.

For example, they have no coal. Using charcoal...? I seriously doubt any of them have built anything to smelt any metal ore. But again, my contention is that what they lack is not theoretical knowledge (given all the physical scientists in the group) but worker bees. Most of the people would spend most of their time dealing with food, and water, and thus not have the time necessary for industrialization, which occurred in human history only when populations got large enough to support the division of labor necessary.

[knowles2]

But I think the lack of workers was explain by Young and many other crew doing nothing but working. TJ even mention them becoming over work.

Young was out busy building a irrigation canal why his wife was in Labour, which shows his dedication to building a civilisation. Even Scott spent all his time building a house for Chloe and her baby.

Also I am presuming what ever Brody found was perfect for quickly making and building tools with little effort.

An we saw that in the first few weeks that they have made some hammers and other tools.

[icsteffi]

I really liked the music in this episode. Like the very epic music that was playing as old Wray was giving her speech.

By the way, I'm worried that now that Varro saved T.J.'s life, she will go back to being interested in him. But that's so sad, because they all know about the life and children T.J. and Young could have had.

Ah, and saying that made me remember that none of the kids would be the same. No way the same sperm would get through on the same cycle. Hope no one got attached to their future kids on the kinovision!

Great episode.

[DarkandBright]

I wonder nobody discussed yet what Rush found in the archives at the very end, something of 'outstanding importance'. Another secret that he can carry along for some days. Perhaps he found something about the drones? In the preview teaser

Spoiler:

he seemed quite relaxed about the drone attack.