Brody is the man!

[garhkal]

Perhaps the casings are recycled, if that's even possible, the bullets themselves are formed from melting lead that they found off world and as for the gunpowder and primer.. that's anyone's guess

You can reuse shell casings.. They are called "recasted" rounds, but are somewhat unreliable.

As for paper.. you would think that at least volkar and brody would have grabbed a few note pads... seeing as the crew is low.

[morrismike]

You can reuse shell casings.. They are called "recasted" rounds, but are somewhat unreliable.

As for paper.. you would think that at least volkar and brody would have grabbed a few note pads... seeing as the crew is low.

The still need primers (a simple version would require fulminated mercury) and a press to make them. They still never dies and presses to make ammo. Lead cast bullet loads aren't going to work the slides on those rifles. In reality that brass is a valuable resource (for things other than reloading) and yet they've never policed their rounds. It must be nice having infinite clips and ammo.

[meo3000]

Im sure theres enough scrapped metal from damaged parts of Destiny. Naquadah bullets anyone?

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Shadow,

You can recycle the shell casings. So all you need is a projectile replacement and an explosive. They are pretty primitive really. A tube, an explosive, and a projectile. In use by planet earth for well over 2,000 years now. Gun powder is low yield stuff by modern standards. As I wonder if some form of bamboo that absorbs the vodka and shaved down to a powder would be enough yield. Or repurposing a few LA plosives. For that matter, where did he get the parts for the still?

What are you using as a precussion cap? Gunpowder does nothing without something to ignite it.

[Steelbox]

You can recycle the shell casings. So all you need is a projectile replacement and an explosive. They are pretty primitive really. A tube, an explosive, and a projectile. In use by planet earth for well over 2,000 years now. Gun powder is low yield stuff by modern standards. As I wonder if some form of bamboo that absorbs the vodka and shaved down to a powder would be enough yield. Or repurposing a few LA plosives. For that matter, where did he get the parts for the still?

But modern guns shell are in use for just around 150 years. The first cannon in use appeared around 1260. First guns i didn't find but it wasn't much earlier.

Spoiler:

Integrated paper cartridges


Chassepot paper cartridge (1866).


The first integrated cartridge, was developed in Paris in 1808 by the Swiss gunsmith Jean Samuel Pauly in association with French gunsmith François Prélat. Pauly created the first fully self-contained cartridges:[4] the cartridges incorporated a copper base with integrated mercury fulminate primer powder (the major innovation of Pauly), a paper casing and a round bullet.[5] The cartridge was loaded through the breech and fired with a needle. The needle-activated central-fire breech-loading gun would become a major feature of firearms thereafter.[6] Pauly made an improved version, protected by a patent, on 29 September 1812.[4]
Probably no invention connected with firearms has wrought such changes in the principle of gun construction as those effected by the "expansive cartridge case". This invention has completely revolutionized the art of gunmaking, has been successfully applied to all descriptions of firearms, and has produced a new and important industry: that of cartridge manufacture. Its essential feature is preventing gas escaping the breech when the weapon is fired, by means of an expansive cartridge case containing its own means of ignition. Previous to this invention shotguns and sporting rifles were loaded by means of powder flasks and shot flasks, bullets, wads and copper caps, all carried separately. One of the earliest efficient modern cartridge cases was the pin-fire cartridge, developed by French gunsmith Casimir Lefaucheux in 1836.[7] It consisted of a thin weak shell made of brass and paper that expanded from the force of the explosion. This fit perfectly in the barrel, and thus formed an efficient gas check. A small percussion cap was placed in the middle of the base of the cartridge, and was exploded by means of a brass pin projecting from the side and struck by the hammer. This pin also afforded the means of extracting the cartridge case. This cartridge was introduced in England by Lang, of Cockspur Street, London, about 1845. Later in 1846, M.Houiller, another Paris gunsmith, improved on the system by introducing a fully metallic cartridge in 1847.[7]

A diagram of a Dreyse needle gun cartridge, showing the paper cartridge case, the sabot, and acorn-shaped bullet.


As a In the American Civil War (1861–65) a breechloading rifle, the Sharps, was introduced and produced in large numbers. It could be loaded with either a ball or a paper cartridge. After that war many were converted to the use of metal cartridges. The development by Smith & Wesson (amongst many others) of revolver handguns that used metal cartridges helped to establish cartridge firearms as the standard in the USA by the 1870s although many continued to use percussion revolvers well after that.


Full metal cartridges


(From Left to Right): A .577 Snider cartridge (1867), a .577/450 Martini-Henry cartridge (1871), a later drawn brass .577/450 Martini-Henry cartridge, and a .303 British Mk VII SAA Ball cartridge.



French Army Fusil Gras mle 1874 metallic cartridge.


The first commercially successful all-metal cartridges were rimfire cartridges. The first of these was the .22 BB Cap, introduced around 1845. This was followed by the .22 Short in 1857. Larger caliber rimfires were soon introduced. Some of these were used in the American Civil War, including the .44 Henry and 56-56 Spencer. However, the large rimfires were soon replaced by centerfire cartridges, which could safely handle higher pressures.
In 1867 the British war office adopted the Eley-Boxer metallic central-fire cartridge case in the Enfield rifles, which were converted to Snider-Enfield breech-loaders on the Snider principle. This consisted of a block opening on a hinge, thus forming a false breech against which the cartridge rested. The priming cap was in the base of the cartridge, and was discharged by a striker passing through the breech block. Other European powers adopted breech-loading military rifles from 1866 to 1868, with paper instead of metallic cartridge cases. The original Eley-Boxer cartridge case was made of thin coiled brass - occasionally these cartridges could break apart and jam the breech with the unwound remains of the casing upon firing. Later the solid-drawn, central-fire cartridge case, made of one entire solid piece of tough hard metal, an alloy of copper, with a solid head of thicker metal, has been generally substituted.

The 8 mm Lebel ammunition, developed in 1886, the first smokeless gunpowder cartridge to be made and adopted by any country.


Central-fire cartridges with solid-drawn metallic cases containing their own means of ignition are almost universally used in all modern varieties of military and sporting rifles and pistols.
Around 1870, machined tolerances had improved to the point that the cartridge case was no longer necessary to seal a firing chamber. Precision-faced bolts would seal as well, and could be economically manufactured.

You can reuse shell casings.. They are called "recasted" rounds, but are somewhat unreliable.

As for paper.. you would think that at least Volker and Brody would have grabbed a few note pads... seeing as the crew is low.

Any one saw them collecting used shells? Every time they have to use their weapon is in a dangerous situation with no way to come back. When the ammo is used up their done for good.

[Shadow_7]

Well the chinese had fireworks (i.e. gun powder) over 2,000 years ago. Not that guns were common items back then. But I'm sure someone had made some sort of canon with said fireworks. If the kids of today are any indication. Just because they blew to smitherines and/or we never found archeological evidence (yet) doesn't mean they didn't exist.

The repair robots can make windows and frames, I'm sure they can make casings and other things. It's not rocket science. They just need close tollerances to be of use in those weapons. They have plenty of metal scrap around in unused compartments. And who knows, maybe the novans left them a bullet press to the needed specification. Bullets don't have to be lead. Casings don't have to be brass. And the propellant doesn't have to be gun powder or even powder for that matter. It just needs the ignition and expansion properties similar to gun powder to not overpower the existing guns. For all we know the LA supplies could include enough gun powder and a bullet press too. With plenty of mines that are more of a defensive weapon, I'm sure they have the needed materials on Destiny. And up until recently almost all of the actually fired in this timeline rounds were fired on Destiny. To be policed at their leisure.

I'm sure that making the still required many of the same techniques needed to make bullets. A bullet is a plug at the end of a tube, from a techical perspective. And an explosive, which they have lots of on board. C4, LA mines, ....... Although I think that Youngs comment was made in jest. For now anyway.

[garhkal]

Being we saw them try to get ammo, and failed, i doubt they got a smithy press.

[morrismike]

Well the chinese had fireworks (i.e. gun powder) over 2,000 years ago. Not that guns were common items back then. But I'm sure someone had made some sort of canon with said fireworks. If the kids of today are any indication. Just because they blew to smitherines and/or we never found archeological evidence (yet) doesn't mean they didn't exist.

The repair robots can make windows and frames, I'm sure they can make casings and other things. It's not rocket science. They just need close tollerances to be of use in those weapons. They have plenty of metal scrap around in unused compartments. And who knows, maybe the novans left them a bullet press to the needed specification. Bullets don't have to be lead. Casings don't have to be brass. And the propellant doesn't have to be gun powder or even powder for that matter. It just needs the ignition and expansion properties similar to gun powder to not overpower the existing guns. For all we know the LA supplies could include enough gun powder and a bullet press too. With plenty of mines that are more of a defensive weapon, I'm sure they have the needed materials on Destiny. And up until recently almost all of the actually fired in this timeline rounds were fired on Destiny. To be policed at their leisure.

I'm sure that making the still required many of the same techniques needed to make bullets. A bullet is a plug at the end of a tube, from a techical perspective. And an explosive, which they have lots of on board. C4, LA mines, ....... Although I think that Youngs comment was made in jest. For now anyway.

A press and dies are required to manufacture bullets and to assemble cartridges. They lack the means to make either. It is a very exact thing reloading ammo that will function a semiauto weapon. If they were shooting revolvers then it becomes much easier to accomplish.

[Shylodog]

A press and dies are required to manufacture bullets and to assemble cartridges. They lack the means to make either. It is a very exact thing reloading ammo that will function a semiauto weapon. If they were shooting revolvers then it becomes much easier to accomplish.

However, since most folks who aren't gun enthusiasts wouldn't know that, we are probably expected to suspend disbelief in this matter.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Shylo,

However, since most folks who aren't gun enthusiasts wouldn't know that, we are probably expected to suspend disbelief in this matter.

That's quite a request. I'd rather find out they have magic magazines that automatically pull materials from the air to make more bullets.

[KEK]

We don't know what engineering devices Destiny has on board yet. There might even be some sort of precursor to Merlin's device in The Quest.

[garhkal]

Doubt it as we don't even know when that device came into being.. Was it before or after atlantis was made?

[General Jumper One]

Doubt it as we don't even know when that device came into being.. Was it before or after atlantis was made?

It was in season 9(not sure) that we saw Merlin's device, after Merlin and the others came back from Atlantis.

[Pharaoh Atem]

destiny just stops are a home depot

[morrismike]

I was a little disapointed they didn't top of the armory with novan weapons.