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Originally posted by Lahela View PostThe gate is a circle. The top of a circle appears as a line. Greer was standing on an arc. Impossible, unless the circle is perpendicular to him.
As for how they cleared it, I would guess they did with a bit of C4 what Jack and Teal'c did with their hands in 100 Days. As for how they stood it up... a wizard did it.
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Originally posted by Lahela View PostThe gate is a circle. The top of a circle appears as a line. Greer was standing on an arc. Impossible, unless the circle is perpendicular to him.
As for how they cleared it, I would guess they did with a bit of C4 what Jack and Teal'c did with their hands in 100 Days. As for how they stood it up... a wizard did it.
Here's a better view:
There is clearly a vertical arc. Now, if you're still not convinced, then there's this:
The gate, still buried, with one of the chevrons on the side, not the top.
The gate was vertical while buried. End of story.
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Sorry, for those who recorded the episode look for the scene where Greer, Volker, James and Eli had just cleared the section of the gate that exposed the facing and a chevron. Notice where Greer and Volker are standing, bending, lifting and tossing in relation to James and which direction the chevron is pointing just before Scott arrived and Eli asked how Riley was doing. Scott answers and leaves telling Eli to keep uncovering the gate. Judge for yourself. This is the best and I think clearrst evidence.
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I've gone through most of the postings in this thread and maybe I'm missing the obvious, but no one seems to have asked about the Asian woman shown lying in the shuttle. I'm referring to the scene where TJ has just finished telling Riley about her baby and the camera pans around the inside of the shuttle and shows an Asian woman lying down with her head on what appears to be a pillow made of fatigues - the camera stays on her for a few seconds and then cuts to a new scene back on Destiny. Who is this woman???
It seemed to me that TJ and Riley thought they were alone on the shuttle.
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Originally posted by themeatcleaver View PostThat episode was absolutely heartbreaking.
Spoiler:poor riley!
Originally posted by joeynox View PostRiley was my favorite character and it kills me that he's dead.just like when Beckett died oh man in 1 season I've grown so attached to the characters. I love this show. Rip Riley
Originally posted by Replicator Todd View PostI loved the Rush stuff in the episode, can't wait to see the events unfold next episode. Rush continues to grow into a even more fascinating character.
Originally posted by joeynox View Postnow the ship has no shuttles! they better get that "big" gun working 100%
Originally posted by GateroomGuard View PostBy this shows own rules there are thousands of alternate timelines where Riley is still alive. Death has never had any 'finality' meaning in Stargate. There are so many ways to bring someone back, clones, alternate reality people, alternate timeline people, ascension. It would be suprising if we never encountered Riley again.
Originally posted by TheHomegaMan View PostI'll admit it, I was expecting this ep to be the usual false danger and character shield tripe that SGA got us into. Truly a great end for Riley, and I absolutely LOVED how they used his "It's not being here, it's not being there" monologue from his Kinosode as a send off. Truly amazing.
Originally posted by TheHomegaMan View PostGood to see Gloria and Franklin again, and even better that Rush questions his sanity. I'll admit, I really hope that Rush seeing the two of them is linked to his chair experience, if they're not going to let Rush slowly lose his mind.
And... in (almost) before anyone says Franklin ascended. Anyone who wants to claim he did better back it up.
Originally posted by morbosfist View PostFinally, set up for the next episode. Mysterious object coming, and Rush has an idea of what it is obviously.
Originally posted by TheHomegaMan View PostSo... anyone else wondering when Rush found the bridge? He knew exactly where to go once he realized he'd cracked the master code, then input it from there.
Somebody's been doing some exploring...
Originally posted by themeatcleaver View Post/i do have to say that i got kind of nostalgic at the sight of a buried stargate
Originally posted by Tielster View PostI really love this show. But I have issue with a couple of storyline rushes(pardon the pun) in 'Aftermath'.
1. Um... Talford looked like he was gonna be a mole and then he wasn't. Could have been awesome.
Originally posted by Tielster View Post3. I'm totally cool with Rush and Young going insane but not sure how I feel about both at the same time.
Originally posted by Tielster View Post4. Speaking of Rush and Young... what happened to the almost humanizing of Rush and the close encounter of composer for Young? Soooo close. And my issue with that is I personally love how close the SG teams become. They would die for eachother. No other show pulled that off the way the Stargate shows have. It was they're secret ingredient.
Originally posted by themeatcleaver View Postoh i've been meaning to ask, what do we think so far? was franklin in Rush's head or was that actually Franklin and Rush couldn't tell the difference? Rush did say that Franklin was much more helpful in technical matters.
I think it was the ship materializing him to help rush out.
Originally posted by Gallienus View PostThe way Young handled Riley's situation I oddly didn't find to be cold or indicative of mental issues. He was doing the man a favor and respecting his final wises. If anything it made me feel a tad bit better about the Colonel.
Originally posted by Gallienus View PostThe character interaction didn't seem pointless or tacked on and Rush making a bee-line for the bridge (apparently atop the "pyramid" thing) certainly makes one wonder just how much he really does know
Originally posted by Kaiphantom View PostI know some may think Rush crazy, and it's possible he is; the simple fact of the matter is, we don't know if he's talking to himself, or if somehow there are other forces at play. As he theorized, it could be the ship itself manifesting something, or alien presences (either Faith aliens or Franklin being ascended, etc.)
Originally posted by Kaiphantom View Postbut I understand his reasoning. He was quite correct that Young is losing it, and that it was Young's fault the LA took over. By keeping the bridge secret, if the LA take over again (or Young screws up again), Rush can maintain control of the ship from his secret bridge. From that point of view, it makes logical sense.
Originally posted by Kaiphantom View PostI do understand the problem of keeping prisoners(or even any additional people), and it could be argued the LA brought this on themselves. But I didn't expect them to toss all the LA people out the gate (well, except for the two or three they kept). And obviously, the LA people aren't telling everything they know about Destiny. They have to know where it's headed or what it was built for in order to risk a death sentence to get there. Those door openers they used last season had to come from somewhere Destiny-related in order to work on the doors.
Originally posted by Kaiphantom View PostSeems like the seeder ship is up next, and without a shuttle, I wonder how they will get over there to check it out, but I assume they will get access to another shuttle to replace the one they lost. Of course, if what I read is to be believed, Caine and the others will end up back on Destiny, so maybe their shuttle will be returned as well.Spoiler:From what we have seen, it docks With the seeder ship...
Originally posted by Lt.Colonel John Sheppard View PostI gotta say this episode was awesome except for the whole Riley Dying Part. My jaw was on the floor. I liked Riley. Except he was very accident prone. Seems like Telford dying and then being broken free of the brainwashing as well as being shot and living hasn't humbled the guy.
Originally posted by themeatcleaver View Postagreed! great episode!
2) It was the phattest thing ever seeing the bridge actually rise up out of the top of the pyramid like a bunker(no wonder we could never find it in screenies!)
Cont next post.. page 5 onward!!!
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Originally posted by GateroomGuard View PostIf Riley can die then no one is safe. Well none of the secondary characters are safe anyway, the main cast is still completely safe as always.
Originally posted by hedwig View PostAnd I'm back to having no sympathy for Rush. In my mind, he's directly responsible for Riley's death, because had he simply told the truth from the beginning, that would not have happened; they also wouldn't have lost the only remaining shuttle ... and he's got the nerve to be pointing fingers at Young and saying he's not fit to command anything. Hello - pot calling kettle black?
Originally posted by sblade View PostThe episode also brought out the worst of Rush and Young. Rush proved one more time that 1) he's not as smart as he think he is;
Originally posted by sblade View PostThere seemed to be a gate screw-up in the ep too. Destiny dials the planet and Eli and Scott come through the gate onto Destiny. Two-way wormholes? Lol, that's new in Stargate. I'm also worried about the LA situation. The writers got rid of a bunch of them in this episode. Soon enough, there won't be anyone left and a major cop-out will unfold.
Originally posted by sblade View Post
Liked: finally seeing Destiny's bridge, Rush's wife, Franklin, Ginn, that James is still alive.
5/10
Originally posted by SciFiRick View PostThe manifestation of Gloria & Franklin may just be a result of Rush being in the chair and he is still wirelessly linked or Rush who is very much deprived of sleep and rest may be creating his own manifestations. This reminds me of McKay manifesting Sam Carter when the jumper sank to the bottom of the ocean. That was his subconscious rationalizing and working through the problem. Of course, McKay was not deprived of sleep but felt he was going to die. Either way, the case could be made that his subconscious created Gloria & Franklin more than it being tied to the chair.
Originally posted by SciFiRick View PostGreat special effects with the shuttle scenes. We never find out why the shuttle lost power after it cleared the turbulence but maybe it was intended to be a mystery and assumed that the turbulence had a direct effect on the failure.
Originally posted by SciFiRick View PostI have been trying to determine why Young was holding his breath as he agreed to Riley's request.
Originally posted by Vapor View Post
Overall, it was a good episode. Though I hope they don't plan to drag out the mystery of the people in Rush's head for much longer. I was already starting to grow impatient with the whole concept by the time it was over. I'm not sure I'd be pleased with six more weeks of this.
Originally posted by OutandAboot View PostInterview with Haig Sutherland
'Stargate Universe' exclusive: Haig Sutherland and the life of Riley
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Originally posted by Dusk View PostI'm sorry guys, I give this a thumbs down. And not because Riley is dead (why didn't they just sever his lower torso?),
And actually there WAS Chloe, you see her comforting Scott right at the end
Originally posted by Kaiphantom View PostYou're fine for not liking Rush, but you're going to have to find better reasons. For one, it's not clear Gloria is his conscience. The very fact that Franklin showed up, shows that something more is going on.
Also, it wasn't entirely Rush's fault for what happened to Riley. Yes, he stopped the ship so that they could take a shuttle to the planet, but Young gave the orders to, and they needed supplies. It's all well and good to say it was a bad choice after the fact, but you didn't know early on (unless you kept in touch with spoilers). Faced with dwindling supplies and a planet that has vegetation, you'd make the same call. I'd be willing to bet that if Rush was truthful and open about finding the bridge and the planet, Young would have ordered a stop and shuttle trip.
Originally posted by Kaiphantom View PostAnd by the way, even if he's seeing things, it's clearly explained by his lack of sleep and his nightmares over being tortured (yeah, see how well YOU hold up after being tortured). Young, on the other hand, has no such excuses.
Originally posted by Skiznot View PostWhat I liked best about this episode was the questioned asked by Franklin/Rush's wife entityt.
Originally posted by Petra View PostHell, I even cried and I *never* cry watching Stargate.
Originally posted by Petra View PostAt first I thought he'd die naturally and then when he begged Young to help him (and I had a weird flashback to Abyss and Jack asking Daniel to do the same) I fully expected Young to give him his loaded gun and leave, letting him end his life by his own hand.
Originally posted by Petra View PostI certainly didn't expect strangling. I've seen some critique of Young because of that, but I think he did it this way because he'd promised Riley he wouldn't die alone and true to his word he stayed with him to the very end. Again, wow. It was a very emotional scene.
Originally posted by Petra View PostI also liked how at the end everybody was shown grieving him. Interesting, that Greer was the one making toast.
Originally posted by Petra View PostYoung continues to slip and I can't help but wonder when will he hit the bottom. As of now he still has some restraint left, as evidenced by not killing LA guy.
Originally posted by Petra View PostI want to see more of Ginn. The snippet of info about possible attack on Earth was interesting.
Originally posted by hedwig View PostProbably because we only saw the reaction of Janet's friends and colleagues and Bregman and the film guys; we only saw Janet get hit with the staff blast, and then all those reactions. With Riley, we had to watch while he was dying, and with TJ there talking to him, and then seeing Young with him and what Young did. Big difference in how those two deaths were played out.
Originally posted by TheLastSunset View PostI don't understand - Everett suffocated Riley? You can't suffocate someone that quickly in reality, unless I'm missing something. Why didn't Tamara or people attempt to remove him from the crashed shuttle once they had a gate open with some supplies from Destiny? Or at least administer pain blocking drugs for him. I don't get why he died as well, he wasn't bleeding since she said the pressure on him was stopping it. So he wasn't bleeding to death, was it internal injuries? I thought he just got his legs pinned or something? In which, realistically, you wouldn't die very fast from that. Another thing - why does Young hold his breath as he's 'suffocating' Riley? Was Park lying in the shuttle because she wanted to be with Riley? If so, why was she hiding away from everyone else? Why didn't she help unbury the stargate?
2) Where would they hav gotten the tools.. yes they had that plasma cutter in Water, but did they bring it back?
3) With all the medicing going on in Intervention (and in the ep before) who is to say they still have any of the pain killers left...
4) on the suffocation.. As i mentioned above, according to a HM (hospital corpsman) some people have sympathetic breathing when choking others out (mostly some seals)... just like there are many sympathetic pukers.
Done for now....
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Originally posted by garhkal View PostFrom the previews we knowSpoiler:it to be a seeder ship..
It says at the top of this forum
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Hey all - I'm new to the Forum, so be gentle!
I've been lurking for a while, and I had a general question about Aftermath: all the crew knows that Young is the father of TJ's baby, right? I mean, I know Chole and Scott know for sure, but how about the others? Clearly that would affect how the rest of them are judging Young and his developing instability.
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Originally posted by EvilSpaceAlien View PostY'know, except for having the mother of his unborn child shot, and as far as he knows his unborn daughter is dead. It may or may not be alive on the Faith planet, but that's a whole other discussion. I don't think you can take the emotional stress he's going through, lightly. I believe anyone who has lost a child or a loved one would agree to this.
Originally posted by PG15 View PostBut wasn't the problem the turbulence in the atmosphere? Rush and only Rush knew about it and he made the decision (despite Franklin's advice) to let the shuttle keep going instead of making them turn around, and that's what caused the crash.
If given all the info - there's a planet with vegetation, but its atmosphere was very turbulent - I think Young or anyone else may have made a different decision. May.
Hell, let's say Rush made the shuttle turn back and the ship went on and they didn't find supplies and people started dying from starvation. You'd probably be ragging on him for making the ship turn around. "What the hell did Rush do? Why didn't he at least them them try to get supplies from that planet when he KNEW they were starving? Damn Rush, all his fault for wanting to keep the shuttle like he wanted to keep the one from Faith."
Originally posted by garhkal View PostOhh.. i didn't even think about the possibility of it being the faith aliens helping him out. BUT why would they? As to an ascended Franklin, from what we have seen they don't out right give info like he did without reprocussions. NOW i know we are far away, but who's to say the rules still don't apply?
Yup. His not telling the others is VERY logical for him. But also selfish in that he could have told some of his fellow scientists he trusts (volkar, or
I believe the red head (ginn) said much about it in her 'debreifing' with wray.. BU most of what she said was what they Thought.. not what they know.. So who's to say they know anything for certain.
Originally posted by garhkal View PostBig +1 there K.. Even if he told, there is nothign saying things would have not worked out the way they did. BUT i do fault him for not at least letting others into that he has the bridge, so they could have calld the shuttle back until they had scoured all the data the ship had on the planet.
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I see I'm in the minority here, but I did not like this episode! Nothing really happened outside of Rush gaining control of destiny. Instead the other 40 minutes of the episode were devoted to Riley dying needlessly.
And Eli is getting stranded again. Is this the new "daniel dies" running joke? lol
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