Telford's torture illegal in U.S.?

[The Mighty 6 platoon]

It's as Black as Black gets. Not "Black" as is bad, "black" as is hidden from the public view so their actions don't effect elections and foreign affairs. Black as if all references to their actions get sucked up into a black hole. A secret off planet force known only to a few political leaders and the select family members of people working for it. When in the real world it is a controversial to put up defenses against a rouge missile which goes sub orbital to deliver its warhead.

Because we don't like secrets from our governments who work for us and represent us as we are free people we immediately think the black operator broke all the rules and the CIA/KGB ect. raped little children because he was on a black op. Not just that a political leader wanted plausibly deniability for the black operation itself.

Black operations are usually black for a reason though. They’re not just special forces, a black op means all knowledge is denied completely should anything go wrong. So stuff like assassination, kidnappings and false flag operations come under this.

My personnel view Jack was CIA special activities division, but even if he wasn’t or even in a fictional group you only have to look at the SAD’s history to see that the stuff they and black ops groups like them are involved in is pretty dodgy. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation it is clear that the assassinations, financing of insurgent groups, attempted coups ect is the sortof thing that the US government doesn’t want getting out precsily because the actions they undertake are not the most morally clean and upright things.

[Mike.]

Meh. Anybody else all meh about torture? Anybody?

Same here. It serviced the plot, otherwise...

[Ben 'Teal'c would WIN!!' Noble]

There was no torture untill the venting of the atmosphere, Telford attacked Young.

[knowles2]

For one they are not under the US command, at least not directly this is the IOA, well the Russians an the Chinese most likely would not blink a eye lid at a bit of torture. An they have a large say in what goes on an what is allowed.

As to Jack O'neil he always been someone who want to use brute force to get info out of someone, Hammon was always holding him back, now there only the president an the IOA board of directors or council or whatever they call themselves, an they both only need to know what Jack tells them. No matter what the Politicans tell you they are not an will never be told everything. An most them do not want to know everything that goes on behind there backs.

As for the torture, it goes on all the time, it only a problem for people in charge when the press get hold of it.

I personally love the MI5/6 system which states that it agents only have to fill out a form if they encounter the use of torture whiles in a other country. Nothing about not using the information or telling the forign office or trying to help a UK citizen or even stop coorperting with that country. As long as they fill out the form the agent covered.

[Shai Hulud]

i know this is all happening on Destiny far far away, but would Jack O'Neill allow such a thing happen on Earth? and what does this say about the military's morals? if they are gonna start torturing suspects then whats stopping them from doing it again and again?
personally, i condone what Col. Young is doing because hes doing this to save lives and there is no other way to get Telford to talk, i mean, he has no one to care for ----- oh threatening his loved ones would be worse right?

No fricking WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY man, No way would that sorta shebang happen on USA soil. The government would pull a bit of the old extraordinary rendition shenanigans and fly the bugger out to a nasty little prison in the Balkans somewhere fo sho!

[Taiko]

For one they are not under the US command, at least not directly this is the IOA, well the Russians an the Chinese most likely would not blink a eye lid at a bit of torture. An they have a large say in what goes on an what is allowed.

As to Jack O'neil he always been someone who want to use brute force to get info out of someone, Hammon was always holding him back, now there only the president an the IOA board of directors or council or whatever they call themselves, an they both only need to know what Jack tells them. No matter what the Politicans tell you they are not an will never be told everything. An most them do not want to know everything that goes on behind there backs.

As for the torture, it goes on all the time, it only a problem for people in charge when the press get hold of it.

I personally love the MI5/6 system which states that it agents only have to fill out a form if they encounter the use of torture whiles in a other country. Nothing about not using the information or telling the forign office or trying to help a UK citizen or even stop coorperting with that country. As long as they fill out the form the agent covered.

No matter what nation provides the theater commander or international oversight the officer's uniform still reads "US" and he is bound to follow US law. He can't break the law if he was on a UN team or an IOA team.

[wargrafix]

All military sections in countries inflict torture in some way or the other. Effective military who use the carrot approach tend to get better results since they would have earned something that torturing military commanders could never get: respect.

Once a man gets respect, information flows a little easier since mutual benefit is guaranteed.

[meo3000]

Well first, Young didnt torture Tellford, and second, they are slowly killing him, a good lawyer would argue that killing is not tortuting. If they happen to stop cause he finally talked, the lawyer could also argue they spared his life. Cause hes a traitor, and traitors can get executed.

[KEK]

Well first, Young didnt torture Tellford, and second, they are slowly killing him, a good lawyer would argue that killing is not tortuting. If they happen to stop cause he finally talked, the lawyer could also argue they spared his life. Cause hes a traitor, and traitors can get executed.

Slowly killing someone in order to get information from them is torture, there's really no two ways about it. What he did is basically just water-boarding without the water.

[Taiko]

Slowly killing someone in order to get information from them is torture, there's really no two ways about it. What he did is basically just water-boarding without the water.

I will agree the last act to vent the compartment is torture. But we have the situation of what can Gen O'Neill, the IOA, Camile Wray or Lieutenant Scott do to punish the guilty? Stone three bodies in and put the host bodies on Earth in jail?

[knowles2]

Slowly killing someone in order to get information from them is torture, there's really no two ways about it. What he did is basically just water-boarding without the water.

Something which was declared legal in the US an not class torture by the US. Well until Obarma came in anyway an even then he did not exactly declare it illegal he just banned it.

[The Mighty 6 platoon]

All military sections in countries inflict torture in some way or the other. Effective military who use the carrot approach tend to get better results since they would have earned something that torturing military commanders could never get: respect.

Once a man gets respect, information flows a little easier since mutual benefit is guaranteed.

Not really, especially when dealing with pow’s, they don’t have any respect for you, since they were just fighting you. It’s worse with traitors, Telford had so much for the SGC he betrayed them all. And that doesn’t leave them with much carrot to go with, Telford will be charged with treason, a crime that if convicted of, carries the death penalty under US military law, so they can’t offer him much.

Interrogations work best when you apply the right technique to the right situation, and carrot techniques can happily work with civilians or conscripts, it has bugger all effect against those who are ideologically committed to opposing you.

[Phenom]

God lets hope the season finale doesn't include any torture. I don't think I could handle 400 torture threads discussing the exact same thing over the season break.

[major davis]

Meh. Anybody else all meh about torture? Anybody?

Yep. Totally tired of people freaking out about the toture. Litterally, the thought of it being morally wrong or fans throwing a fit about the scenes didn't even cross my mind when watching Subversion....

Then again I live for the toture scenes in 24..... Guess i just like to see the bad guys suffer...

In all honesty, if toture saves innocent lives... is it really that bad?

[Morganrone93]

I started to think that everyone saying, torturing is not human, well, do we ever see animals torture eachother? No, we made it up, its a human thing.

Ooh, see how I turned that point around, yeah?