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Originally posted by s09119 View Post...so you're insisting that torture has never, in all of history, yielded useful intelligence? Okay, sure, let's go with that."A society grows great when old men plant trees, the shade of which they know they will never sit in. Good people do things for other people. That's it, the end." -- Penelope Wilton in Ricky Gervais's After Life
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Originally posted by Demerzel View PostOh dear, now we can't be MEAN to traitors and terrorists? Do we have to say "please, give me the information we need, SIR." ?"A society grows great when old men plant trees, the shade of which they know they will never sit in. Good people do things for other people. That's it, the end." -- Penelope Wilton in Ricky Gervais's After Life
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Originally posted by EllieVee View PostYou don't have moral absolutes?
Originally posted by EllieVee View PostThe bit I've bolded is completely unprovable, by the way.
Originally posted by EllieVee View PostI've said that torture is wrong. Have I said I wouldn't torture someone? I don't think I have? I think I've said I wouldn't know what I'd do in that situation until faced with that situation, have I not? I don't have a difference stance if it's killing someone.
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Originally posted by DigiFluid View PostNice try, but twisting words does nothing to enhance your own argument. I said it was "wrong and unreliable", not "wrong and always incorrect". Torture demands certainty of results to be even remotely justifiable; though it's still wrong.Click the banner or episode links to visit the virtual continuations of Stargate!Previous Episode: 11x03 "Shore Leave" | Previous Episode: 6x04 "Nightfall" | Now Airing: 3x06 "Eldest"The Continuing Stargate Wiki | Stargate: Avalon l The New "Ark of Truth" | Stargate: Universe Reviews | Banner designs by Alx
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Originally posted by Demerzel View PostOh dear, now we can't be MEAN to traitors and terrorists? Do we have to say "please, give me the information we need, SIR." ?
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I said that it was not a military practice. It's the CIA rather that's come under heavy fire for torture. The whole full disclosure was about CIA practices, not military practices. The Central Intelligence Agency, for those that might not know, is not a branch of military. It's a division of the Department of Defense.
If it was discovered that a General or a Colonel, or anyone in the US military was behind an interrogation, the military would hang them out to dry. Literally. They would have the big chicken dinner, a dishonorable discharge, and would likely face a hearing on their actions. They'd probably be in jail for so long they'd forget what it felt to be free. And don't think that that a lowly military officer would be saved for "following" orders. They would also have the same treatment.
So if an interrogation with torture scene occurred on Destiny. If it gets out, then whoever knew about it/were involved with it in the US military would officially be dishonorably discharged. It would not only wreck their career in the military, but make it near impossible to find work if they weren't locked up for life. The military takes a hard stance on it and they will make an example of the people involved.
I read back where someone claimed they knew cops that would beat up suspects. You're right, it happens. And it's most often caught on tape. The officers will usually go to jail for it.sigpic
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Originally posted by s09119 View PostWhy does it demand certainty? Nothing in life is ever 100% certain, no police sting, no military raid, no arrest, no anything. Why is torture any different? As long as we're reasonably sure and the stakes are too high to ignore, why must we sit there and let people die for no reason?"A society grows great when old men plant trees, the shade of which they know they will never sit in. Good people do things for other people. That's it, the end." -- Penelope Wilton in Ricky Gervais's After Life
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Originally posted by DigiFluid View PostSuffocating someone isn't simply 'being mean', it's physical and mental abuse with very clear consequences.
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Originally posted by Demerzel View PostI'll bring back my argument that killing is wrong, yet we do it when it's absolutely needed and it's not considered "wrong". So killing a terrorist during a chase after he blows up a bomb is okay, but hurting him a bit to prevent the bomb from going off at all is wrong. Right?
And yes, still it's wrong."A society grows great when old men plant trees, the shade of which they know they will never sit in. Good people do things for other people. That's it, the end." -- Penelope Wilton in Ricky Gervais's After Life
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Originally posted by EllieVee View PostNice try at twisting my words but no cookie.
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Originally posted by Alexandria7 View PostI will also add that if O'Neill knows about, gave orders to torture someone, and it gets out somehow. It will ruin O'Neill. Given his high rank, he'll be hit the hardest.
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