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Originally posted by FallenAngelII View PostAnd then when he could no longer go back on the ship, he immediately ordered Eli to shoot down the alien ship at all costs, even when Eli repeatedly warned him that the weapons might overload and blow up the entire ship. Young kept saying "I have no choice!" and telling Eli to fire, even when the alien ship was retreating.
He said "I have no choice" once. ONCE.
And I completely disagree with you on his motive; but that's for that other thread.
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Originally posted by Mike. View PostYoung did what he had to do for the good of the crew when he stranded Rush. He gave him the opportunity to end the conflict but Rush chose the "It will never be over" route. Rush obviously doesn't care about anyone else, only the ship and himself, he only follows orders because it benefits him. R. is a loose canon and a danger to everyone else. Mutiny is not something to be taken lightly.
Young again did the right thing by continuing to fire on the enemy vessel. Destiny's shields were about to give out so he had to do something. Chloe (and Rush) were never in danger - the shield of ship was eating all the fire and it was the only way to buy Destiny some time. Even if the enemy seemed to retreat, it could have been a ruse or preparing another weapon.
Destiny also needed to send a message that it's not just a sitting duck, it has the ability to fight back and that it will do it too. As Young said, it was a command decision, and I believe it was the right one. The others have not earned the right yet to second guess him, and his experience.
Hopefully next time they attempt to mutiny they'll be caught red handed and dealt with. Wray and Rush are a clear danger to everyone on the ship.
I totally agree with you. Is it really better to be captured by aliens that would put the humans into a water container to read their mind than being blow`ed up?
My thoughts:
There is NO better leader than Young on this ship. Neither Wray or Rush should be an option for that job. If they tried to frame Young for a murder together,then that is a very serious thing to do. And all that to get at the top instead of the same man they tried to frame. How Wray could even consider working with Rush for a mutiny or something "dirty" is way beyond what I can understand. He does not even wanna go home,while she really want to get home to her love. (am I right?)
Young is not perfect,but Rush did not want to end the fight and the dirty game he played,so be it. I don`t think Young did the right thing,but in light of ALL of the things Rush have tried to do,the best thing for the people on the ship was to not have Rush going crazy against everyone on Destiny. I think we all know that they have many people with skills there willing to help, and for all people there it would be best that all that can contribute should be welcomed with open arms,and not rejected.
Since the main wish from most of the people on Destiny is to get home,neither Rush or Wray should never be on the list of being at the top.
I sure hope that both Greer and Scott stays loyal to the highest ranking officer,and not change side just because other people manage to do a mutiny. It would BTW be a bad thing if the mutiny happens at all. I do understand the "drama" the writers want,but they should not let that take to much of the time. As for now people,is there a little chance at all that Young and Rush becomes "(not) friends",but gets respect for each other? Will the writers ever be able to write that situation into the story without damaging the main plot?
Another thing is: why does it seem like everyone can just fly different alien space-shuttles? Of course it is possible that Rush did get so much mind reading from the aliens that he suddenly knew how to fly it,but I bet he knows a lot more than he actually telling. Rush came back to Destiny to soon IMHO.
However,these was only some of my thoughts about "Space",which overall was a good episode.
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Originally posted by haloplayer View PostAgree
What Rush did was wrong to frame Young for murder
BUT
Attempting murder is worse.Currently watching: Dark Matter, 12 Monkeys, Doctor Who, Under the Dome, The Mentalist, The Messengers, The Last Ship, Elementary, Dominion, The Whispers, Extant, Olympus, Da Vinci's Demons, Vikings
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Originally posted by jdog View PostI kinda think leaving Rush on the planet would be considered acceptable to the military since what rush did was basically mutany.
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Originally posted by eaglevision View PostExcept of course, that Young is NOT the captain of the ship. The only reason he has any say there is because of the armed goons he commands over.Carter: "The singularity is about to explode!"
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Originally posted by eaglevision View PostExcept of course, that Young is NOT the captain of the ship. The only reason he has any say there is because of the armed goons he commands over.
Assuming she doesn't hold the gun backwards which is likely.Tst
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Originally posted by Mike. View PostWho else was the captain of the ship ? He has the highest rank.
As Jack said, it's not a democracy. Ergo, it's a military dictatorship. That doesn't make him captain, just the biggest standover man.sigpic
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The events in Space showed that someone with a military background/training needs to be in charge. Personally I wouldn't have imagined Wray or some other civilian giving the order to fire on the main ship, which saved everyone.
But they should keep out of everyone else's business when they're not needed/peace time.Carter: "The singularity is about to explode!"
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Originally posted by Mike. View PostThe events in Space showed that someone with a military background/training needs to be in charge. Personally I wouldn't have imagined Wray or some other civilian giving the order to fire on the main ship, which saved everyone.
But they should keep out of everyone else's business when they're not needed/peace time.sigpic
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Originally posted by Lahela View PostThat's why I think a cooperative arrangement needs to be in place - Wray, Rush and Young each have their strengths and their areas of expertise, times when they need to take responsibility and when the others should defer to their knowledge and experience.Currently watching: Dark Matter, 12 Monkeys, Doctor Who, Under the Dome, The Mentalist, The Messengers, The Last Ship, Elementary, Dominion, The Whispers, Extant, Olympus, Da Vinci's Demons, Vikings
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Originally posted by Commander Zelix View PostYeah but beyond the taste for power I don't understand why they have so much problem with Young's leadership. Trying to frame Young for murder is completely over the top just so someone sit in the damn chair. While Wray, I don't know what the hell is her problem, but she's IOA.
Of course Rush and Wray have their own reasons for wanting control, but there are clearly people on that ship who think they would be better off under non-military leadership.
I don't deny that Young has a place in the command structure, he is certainly the most seasoned military person on board and as such should control the military side of things, but Rush and Wray should be given responsibility for those aspects which are well outside Young's sphere of experience.sigpic
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Originally posted by Lahela View PostThat's why I think a cooperative arrangement needs to be in place - Wray, Rush and Young each have their strengths and their areas of expertise, times when they need to take responsibility and when the others should defer to their knowledge and experience.sigpic
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