'Sabotage' (116) General Discussion

[jelgate]

Since Wray on an earlier swap had sex in her exchanged body she can hardly begrudge someone having sex in her body can she? Freedom to indulge in personal activities has to go both ways in order to be fair. Besides how are they going to police and monitor everyone’s personal activities anyway?

There is nothing to indicate that Wray had sex while in someone's body

[Commander Zelix]

Since Wray on an earlier swap had sex in her exchanged body she can hardly begrudge someone having sex in her body can she? Freedom to indulge in personal activities has to go both ways in order to be fair. Besides how are they going to police and monitor everyone’s personal activities anyway? Besides this is TV show, too much attention to details would ruin the story.

It's not a detail. It's about using the stone about other thing than sex trivia. And avoiding an interesting issue with the stones. As for Wray nothing indicate she had sex with her girlfriend.

[Blackhole]

There is nothing to indicate that Wray had sex while in someone's body

I would have to review the earlier episodes but to my memory it was shown or clearly implied that she had sex with Sharon her significant other.

[SG7]

I believe they were using protection and it failed. Maybe beforehand she was sure she would do the abortion if needed, but getting really pregnant changed her mind. It happens and no woman can really tell how she would take it before she really gets there. Having another person suddenly living in you is pretty weird thing.

From what I can gather, I got the impression that she may have had a feeling that she might be pregnant after having ended it with Young back on Icarus. Thus the decision to transfer out of Icarus to go to medschool (I think it was). And then TJ found herself along with everyone else stuck on Destiny. Somewhere in there she figured out that she was pregnant. And maybe even knew before the evacuation on Icarus and possibly was planning on having an abortion once she transferred out. Unfortunately being stranded on the Destiny things changed.

[Blackhole]

From what I can gather, I got the impression that she may have had a feeling that she might be pregnant after having ended it with Young back on Icarus. Thus the decision to transfer out of Icarus to go to medschool (I think it was). And then TJ found herself along with everyone else stuck on Destiny. Somewhere in there she figured out that she was pregnant. And maybe even knew before the evacuation on Icarus and possibly was planning on having an abortion once she transferred out. Unfortunately being stranded on the Destiny things changed.

Destiny may not be equipped to do an abortion even if they exchanged with a competent surgeon. Besides since the actress was really pregnant they incorporated it into the story line.

[SG7]

Very nicely put. I like the fact that when she initially told him, you could see the shock on his face. He then seemed to carefully consider his next words. He then moved around and into her personal spce to reassure her. I'm not sure if that was the director or the actors but it was one of those subtle nuances I like to see in scenes.

My favorite part of the scene between them in this episode was the hand wave and the, "I'll be careful", as she was leaving. I'm hoping the situation maintains the balance they have shown so far.

Agreed. We could see the shock. But then he took the time to make sure that he didn't say anything that would hurt her or make her feel like it was ALL her fault. And I too saw where he moved closer to her as if to be there for her. And I liked the hug because it did show that wanted to be there for her, but was in a way that also showed that they did have issues (past and or present) that they needed to work through. And he did say "we're gonna make this work". Showing TJ that dispite their previous issues and the fact that they were no longer together, he would work with her through her pregnancy to make things work for her and the baby. And that he would do his part.

And so far I haven't gotten any hint that he will do anything less than that.

[jelgate]

I would have to review the earlier episodes but to my memory it was shown or clearly implied that she had sex with Sharon her significant other.

It was not. So doesn't it kind of ruin your whole arguement since their is no two way street

[Blackhole]

It was not. So doesn't it kind of ruin your whole arguement since their is no two way street

No, because it was implied. In episode 9 Life, Camille is shown cuddling and kissing with Sharon on a bed and Young is shown having sex with his wife. Do you think that Camille and Sharon refrained from any further intimacy or more likely it just wasn’t shown? In my mind the implication was likely that they had sex together. Besides, through the video the show is clearly indicating that the point of the exchanges is for personal visits where intimate activities are to be expected and condoned. The video states that the exchangees clearly consent to personal activities of which sexual activities are expected. Why would they release a video if Young was the only person from Destiny having sex on their exchanges? I suggest you watch it. If you and others still have a need to continue to banter this - exchanges violate personal rights - issue back and forth please feel free, but in my mind SGU created that video to put this whole topic to rest and it is no longer an issue.

[EllieVee]

No, because by my memory it was.

Suggest you watch it again then because there's nothing to imply it nor was it on the screen.

[Kayzersoze]

There is nothing to indicate that Wray had sex while in someone's body

Young sure did though, while wearing Lou Diamond Phillips. Or has that already been discussed? Sorry, new-ish here.

I was just chiming in because I find this component of the show (the stones) fascinating, and think it would make a good enough story on it's own with all the possible moral/ethical aspects.

Plus, as I mentioned in another thread, I wonder just how many condoms are present on board the ship? Or how many perscriptions of BCP's? Unless the sexually active women among the Destiny crew (of which there are at least 2 confirmed) are all really good at the rhythm method or into porn-style withdrawl technique, then babies are gonna start popping out all over the place.

[SciFiRick]

I think if they can get a competent doctor using the stones and remove a tracking device that was near Rush's heart by using what is available on Destiny then they can surely figure a way to do almost anything in the medical field. Speaking of the stones, they allow for more occassional SGC member guest appearances. I think using SG-1 or Atlantis past characters on occassion keeps everyone remembering that it all ties in together with the whole Stargate saga. You can still do that without messing up the SGU theme. Shouldn't everyone been excited that Daniel Jackson FINALLY made it to the Pegasus galaxy. Seeing Shepard/Mitchell and McKay/Carter interacting together with Weir on Atlantis. In my opinion that appearance with SG-1 did not hurt the Atlantis show at all and those type of "occassional" guest appearances shouldn't hurt this one either.

[Infinite-Possibilities]

This episode was a good one. I think the show is starting to really hit a stride now. Despite the occasional slight dip in my interest. This was something that kept me interested. I think the Blue Aliens are the key here. The conflict they bring makes the show VASTLY more interesting than just the crew's personal problems. Also now that more stuff is going on, I'm even actually a little more interested in what the characters are all doing. I think it really helps when it's not pretty much the only thing happening in the show. Still, I think there's certainly some room for improvement left.

[Jumper_One]

Craig writes: “1) Does the robot have a name? [...]

Answers: 1) Ludwig Honenberger the Third. [...]

duneknight writes: “did you guys chicken out? because of the contriversy regarding the sex scene or did you plan it like that all along?”

Answer: There were some minor changes, but no more than would be made on any script as it advances from outline to and through its various drafts. The one change that stood out for me was a little character backstory we had planned for the Lieutenant James character. Initially, she volunteers, makes the switch, panics, and backs out. Rather than being a simple freak out, we learn that her reason for backing out stems from a personal issue – specifically, the circumstances surrounding her younger brother’s paralysis. Even though it was a positive depiction of the bond between siblings, Standards and Practices felt that it cast a physical disability in a negative light because James displays grief for her brother’s condition. As a result, we had to lose it.

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[myhelix]

A good episode, but not my favourite, I think it gets 7 out of 10.

What I like:
-the sub plot with Franklin (did he ascend?)
-showing a softer side of Dr. Rush, I like how he talk with Dr. Perry. Wish he would be more like that when it comes to Eli and the others.
-TJ, competent as always
-the robot is cool
-we finally saw some kind of working together with Wray, Rush and Young.

Things I don´t like:
-the way Eli, Scott and Chloe got back on the ship, "hi we are here" and than nothing.
-the aliens just show up every time to fire on the Destiny, boring, and the situation is resolved how? right, they start the FTL.
-Brody don´t have something better to do than brewing alcohol?! Next episode they getting coffee, cigarettes and McDonalds!
-don´t like this weeks music choice for the montage.

Eli seems to be very pissed at Rush as he talks with Mandy, wonder what was that about? He seems to be very surprised that the Dr. has feelings, too. Okay Rush can be an a.... but I never thought Eli think so less of him.
Also missed some Eli movie quotes the last two episodes, I like it when his inner geek comes through, always love that with McKay and Sheppard.

[Blackhole]

Eli seems to be very pissed at Rush as he talks with Mandy, wonder what was that about? He seems to be very surprised that the Dr. has feelings, too. Okay Rush can be an a.... but I never thought Eli think so less of him.

I don't think Eli was pissed at all just surprised and bewildered.