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Originally posted by nx01a View PostI got that from her character in the very first episode. She seemed very much like her father in her resolve, her standing up to Rush, her being as strong as she could be for herself and her mother following her father's death, the way she faced death in 'Light'... Then she started going down hill. Maybe it was Scott. Maybe it was Eli, her BFF, maybe it was seeing her vapid friends and former life. I want that strong young woman from the first episode back.
- She told her mother, but anyone else would have.
- She had sex in Light with Scott, then just sat there.
Maybe you just thought she was different, a now you actually se her?sigpic
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Originally posted by nx01a View PostShe has the makings of a potential leader, I think. She certainly has the history... though being daughter/assistant of the Gov. of California is a bit iffy on the 'leader' scale.
He's a Senator of CA I think??
- When her father died she cried, then started hitting Rush, to be able to blame somebody.
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Senator. Governor. Whatever. It's still California.
From her character description, I expected her to be an airhead in 'Air', but she seemed quite mature and capable to me. Now... Eh. I hope she gets that gusto back.
As for Light, she wasn't frantic about being picked for the shuttle, she wasn't panicking, she went to the observation deck, stood next to her BFF and looked into the heart of the star that was 'going' to kill her. I respected that.sigpic
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Originally posted by natyanayaki View PostNo I don't care about what happened between them, BUT I do think she seemed way to self-involved to find out what happened before judging.
There was not need for Chloe to play Nancy Drew and investigate the crime, she'd seen enough. Furthermore, after learning that one of her friends is more upset over her Dad dieing because he misses out on his leg up, showing he was only friends with her because of the power her father held... I don't think she had much faith in her other friends, understandably so.
You're right, she doesn't need to cry, there are other ways to convey loneliness. But for me to see her as a lonely individual I need to see her alone, in an emotional scene, which I don't recall seeing.
In Dark, when she's in the "shower" and the lights go out, her need for Eli to be there. I am slightly sympathetic to her, because it's a horrible situation, but I did find it selfish that when something bigger and more important than her was going on she basically demanded "Math-boy's" attention.
All this might be because she's a spoiled, rich Daddy's girl as EllieVee said, but it doesn't feel like that's what the writers want us to see, based on editing, dialogue, acting...
but I do think that's Carlyle plays Rush in a much more positive/sympathetic light than the writers seem to have intended. So while the writers want Rush to look as nothing more than the selfish scientist, and Young as the flawed hero, Rush often looks like the man who made one selfish decision, but many more fair decisions, and Young looks like a paranoid man.
As much as I dislike Chloe (or more accurately am bored by Chloe), I can agree with that, that is one thing I can appreciate about the character.
I think she's a lot stronger then people give her credit for...Last edited by Deevil; 30 November 2009, 12:09 AM.Disclaimer: All opinions stated within this post are relevant to the author herself, and do not in any way represent the opinions of God, Country, The Powers That Be or Greater Fandom.
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I've heard of California!Originally posted by natyanayaki View PostMcCay"Most people who are watching TV are semi-catatonic. They're not fully alive." - U.S. District Court Judge Timothy Batten Sr.
Ronald Greer is also a medic. Your argument is invalid.
Originally posted by J-Whitt RemasteredSecondly, I think that everything DigiFluid is good.
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Originally posted by nx01a View PostSenator. Governor. Whatever. It's still California.
From her character description, I expected her to be an airhead in 'Air', but she seemed quite mature and capable to me. Now... Eh. I hope she gets that gusto back.
As for Light, she wasn't frantic about being picked for the shuttle, she wasn't panicking, she went to the observation deck, stood next to her BFF and looked into the heart of the star that was 'going' to kill her. I respected that.
Spoiler:Justice.~ When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take back the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! WITH THE LEMONS! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that BURNS YOUR HOUSE DOWN! ~
~ Burning people! He says what we're all thinking! ~
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Originally posted by Deevil View PostYou seem to be assuming what the writers expect us to feel - rather then just 'feeling' what you do. I think Rush is meant to be sympathetic. I don't think he is just meant to be a selfish scientist. And I do think that Young is meant to be considered somewhat... unhinged. There is nothing in the writing to suggest otherwise.
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You like Lou Diamond Phillips and/or Telford, I got it. And you're no into girls and/or Ona Grauer, I got it too. And you're right, Telford was there for Young, to tell her, he's gonna be right, and to be a shoulder for her if she's crying. Or just exchanging crochet patterns. Yeah right.
What Telford's real reasons for spending time around Young's wife is, I can't say, but his body language in the scenes implies to me that he's at least partially telling the truth. I won't be suckered (and that's in a general term, not derogatory to those who disagree) into believing Telford's a horrible person, when I haven't been presented with any evidence that he is.
Further thoughts = possible spoilersSpoiler:Especially given that LDP said something like 'not all is what it seems' to an upset Telford fan on his Twitter
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Originally posted by EllieVee View PostAnd this is what you do: you accuse people of talking about something that you bring up. I am simply responding to something you brought up *totally unnecessarily*. Stop it. No one is interested in you.
Originally Posted by pjt View Post
And just one little quip: I'm absolutely sure, that if it was you who thought you had one day to live, found someone you felt at least something for each other, then you simply had told her to get lost, and continued to polish your chastity belt.
(God, I wish you weren't ashamed of your age... "Sleeping-around"... "hypocritical"... )
Originally posted by Deevil View Post
So, it had nothing to do with the clearly inaccurate comment that Chloe is sleeping around? Good, glad we got that sorted.
You don't date a friends ex. It's cheap and it's tacky.
She's young, she's human and she makes mistakes. She doesn't need to comfort of men, she needs to have friendship. She, like everyone on board needs company. It's a lonely place, made even more lonelier by knowing they aren't getting home any time soon.
As for what's 'right' - it depends on what you consider 'right'. They are human, so they aren't going to be perfect. They aren't going to be the larger then life heroes we are used to from the previous series' (thank god). They are gonna be human.
I remind you I've already polled 6 Navy men here at the job and they say none of these officers should be officers in the Armed forces. The system (they say) is designed to weed out individuals that don't follow orders, loose canons, lazy or otherwise liabilities. This show, more than most undermines every concept of the chain of command.
It's a show it's made to be scandalous. But while Scandal and the gossip that interest most here I want something more because human behavior is pretty predictable. Especially when people do ALL the wrong things.
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Originally posted by Saquist View PostI wouldn't care. If I break up with someone it's over. I don't owe any rights to them. I don't go for owning women or anyone owning me especially after a breakup.
Are you sure because instead of talking with someone like Eli she had sex.
I don't think it has anything to do with interpretation. This is clearly the wrong place for this behavior. These people are far from perfect, far from okay, far from good and frankly unbelievable as characters.
And, it has everything to do with interpretation .
I remind you I've already polled 6 Navy men here at the job and they say none of these officers should be officers in the Armed forces. The system (they say) is designed to weed out individuals that don't follow orders, loose canons, lazy or otherwise liabilities. This show, more than most undermines every concept of the chain of command.
That being said, it isn't a 100% accurate portrayal of everything military related. That's why this is called fiction, not fact. If you are looking for a 100% accurate portrayal of the defense forces, documentaries may be your best bet. Even docos can be uncomplimentary to the military though, so it's a crap shot.
It's a show it's made to be scandalous. But while Scandal and the gossip that interest most here I want something more because human behavior is pretty predictable. Especially when people do ALL the wrong things.
That being said, you personally may find it that way. But as with many things in life, our personal opinions don't always match up with everyone elses.Last edited by Deevil; 30 November 2009, 07:30 AM.Disclaimer: All opinions stated within this post are relevant to the author herself, and do not in any way represent the opinions of God, Country, The Powers That Be or Greater Fandom.
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Yes, but clearly you aren't Chloe... and clearly you aren't female either.
They are believable characters or the exact reason why you think they are unbelievable.
Soldiers like these exist in the defense force
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Originally posted by Yusagi View PostCan we stop discounting member's opinions as invalid based on the personal opinions of other members?
And women, generally (there are of course always exceptions) are a little more picky with the idea of their friends dating their exes.
For what it's worth, I think that they are unbelievable for the position they are in.
That's what's makes the characters interesting. Because if they were totally holding it together, to me, that would be even more unbelievable.
All that being said, I've gotta assume at some point Young wasn't made of the crazy when Jack first picked him for the mission (which he ultimately turned down)... 'cause that would have been a bad idea. I really think his injury has had an impact with his personality and reasoning skills.
Soldiers are not officers. And their opinion is, in fact valid, because if the characters are not how they should be on Earth, with believable adjustments due to their position off-world, then there's no point to having them 'officers' at all. They could have just been all-civilian.
And I say again, their opinion doesn't outweigh what I know both officers and non-coms can act like.Last edited by Deevil; 30 November 2009, 07:34 AM.Disclaimer: All opinions stated within this post are relevant to the author herself, and do not in any way represent the opinions of God, Country, The Powers That Be or Greater Fandom.
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