'Justice' (110) General Discussion

[morrismike]

There is a very good reason that the military is not in charge of civilian's on a day to day basis. Young is providing this reason time and time again, he is unable to remember that civilian's are not part of his chain of command, they are axillary resources.

Young is a moron who got rid of Rush because Rush was a personal threat to him.

Rush is not a sociopath. Someone with limited social graces are not sociopaths, because they still feel and empathise. The problem is they don't know how to show this.

I'm with Garrow, Young deserves to be shot for what he did.

Commanders are never in charge of "resources" on a day to day basis. That level of authority is typically delegated.

Rush was a threat to every person on that ship. A person capable of framing another for murder is capable of just about anything. If Young revealed the frame up, they would have had to confine Rush to quarters and/or have Eli (or someone else) constantly supervise every action/decision he did and remove his ability to actually perform independant work. Rush would continue his ways and be willing to sacrifice every single person on that ship to get his way just like he sacrificed the current crew by not dialing a safe port in the milky way. It's obvious you've never been in the military but people behaving like Rush are "straightened out" with blanket parties and code reds - that personality type has no place in an organization where bad decisions can cost lives.

[morrismike]

The trouble with charging him with negligence or attempted murder is that there is precisely no evidence. In the absence of any data, reasonable doubt exists in abundance. Even the most useless of public defenders would get him off.

banishment is sooo much easier and you don't have to waste a bullet with that option

[LtColCarter]

Commanders are never in charge of "resources" on a day to day basis. That level of authority is typically delegated.

Rush was a threat to every person on that ship. A person capable of framing another for murder is capable of just about anything. If Young revealed the frame up, they would have had to confine Rush to quarters and/or have Eli (or someone else) constantly supervise every action/decision he did and remove his ability to actually perform independant work. Rush would continue his ways and be willing to sacrifice every single person on that ship to get his way just like he sacrificed the current crew by not dialing a safe port in the milky way. It's obvious you've never been in the military but people behaving like Rush are "straightened out" with blanket parties and code reds - that personality type has no place in an organization where bad decisions can cost lives.

I agree with ya!

[jelgate]

Exactly. They just change things and make it so the characters are learning too.



In the episode Solitudes they were flung out of the gate after an explosion causes a power spike. It even caused the wormhole to jump (something they have used at later times).

That is the Stargate not the wormhole itself. Their is a big difference between the two. So much energy will cause the Stargate to jump depending how it jumps. But as episodes like Red Sky and 38 Minutes have said the amount of energy that enters the wormhole will be how much that leaves the womhole since everything turns into energy in the wormhole.

[EllieVee]

Commanders are never in charge of "resources" on a day to day basis. That level of authority is typically delegated.

Rush was a threat to every person on that ship. A person capable of framing another for murder is capable of just about anything. If Young revealed the frame up, they would have had to confine Rush to quarters and/or have Eli (or someone else) constantly supervise every action/decision he did and remove his ability to actually perform independant work. Rush would continue his ways and be willing to sacrifice every single person on that ship to get his way just like he sacrificed the current crew by not dialing a safe port in the milky way. It's obvious you've never been in the military but people behaving like Rush are "straightened out" with blanket parties and code reds - that personality type has no place in an organization where bad decisions can cost lives.

Rush isn't in the military nor are, from what it seems, a fair amount of people on the ship. He is not under military authority and never was.

That is the Stargate not the wormhole itself. Their is a big difference between the two. So much energy will cause the Stargate to jump depending how it jumps. But as episodes like Red Sky and 38 Minutes have said the amount of energy that enters the wormhole will be how much that leaves the womhole since everything turns into energy in the wormhole.

And that would make sense except for, as I recall, that being retconned itself.

[Girlbot]

That is the Stargate not the wormhole itself. Their is a big difference between the two. So much energy will cause the Stargate to jump depending how it jumps. But as episodes like Red Sky and 38 Minutes have said the amount of energy that enters the wormhole will be how much that leaves the womhole since everything turns into energy in the wormhole.

I just watched Red Sky again a few weeks ago, and I agree with you.

[jelgate]

Rush isn't in the military nor are, from what it seems, a fair amount of people on the ship. He is not under military authority and never was.



And that would make sense except for, as I recall, that being retconned itself.

Changing the science of how the Stargate works is a pretty big retcon

[EllieVee]

Changing the science of how the Stargate works is a pretty big retcon

But hardly new.

[Deevil]

Changing the science of how the Stargate works is a pretty big retcon

It has happened before... as I said, they tend to make it that the characters are learning along the way.

Even if the power that enters the wormhole is what leaves it, an explosion of epic proportions would cascade through the wormhole... so it still makes it at least possible that Rush was right.

[morrismike]

Rush isn't in the military nor are, from what it seems, a fair amount of people on the ship. He is not under military authority and never was.



And that would make sense except for, as I recall, that being retconned itself.

everyone on destiny is under military command

[jelgate]

It has happened before... as I said, they tend to make it that the characters are learning along the way.

Even if the power that enters the wormhole is what leaves it, an explosion of epic proportions would cascade through the wormhole... so it still makes it at least possible that Rush was right.

Right that the energy can translate through the wormhole but not right that the Destiny would be safer then an uninhabitied MW planet. Which brings us back to the original topic if we are going to try Young for attempted murder lets try Rush for 88 counts of attempted murder due to negligence.

[EllieVee]

Right that the energy can translate through the wormhole but not right that the Destiny would be safer then an uninhabitied MW planet. Which brings us back to the original topic if we are going to try Young for attempted murder lets try Rush for 88 counts of attempted murder due to negligence.

Let's not. See previous post. Wouldn't even get to the let's charge and see what happens phase. In the absence of any data, there's no way of knowing. He'd get off and they'd know that so it would be a waste of time.

[Deevil]

Right that the energy can translate through the wormhole but not right that the Destiny would be safer then an uninhabitied MW planet. Which brings us back to the original topic if we are going to try Young for attempted murder lets try Rush for 88 counts of attempted murder due to negligence.

Except there is stil a possibility, no matter the reasons Rush may have dialed Destiny, that he was right.

After all the explosions on base would have always caused power spikes to the stargate. There is nothing to say in current Stargate physics that Rush was wrong.

[Deevil]

everyone on destiny is under military command

No that's what Young wants. The reality is that Young is in 'command' because of the pacifity of the crew, he isn't in command just by virtue of being there.

[EllieVee]

No that's what Young wants. The reality is that Young is in 'command' because of the pacifity of the crew, he isn't in command just by virtue of being there.

O'Neill said that Young is in charge but in reality, being so far away, there's absolutely nothing they could do if every civilian simply refused to follow Young's lead.