'Justice' (110) General Discussion

[nx01a]

Young left Rush an alien ship. Rush could easily use that to kill himself.

[jelgate]

I'm not saying that what Rush did was right, definitely not! But his way neutered an enemy [Young] while keeping him around should he prove useful.

Useful or not the problem is that he can't be trusted. Without some kind of trust a person becomes very useless.

Young got rid of Rush because Rush had angered him for the 'final' time, and, despite Rush being a danger, his knowledge of Ancient technology still outstrips everyone else's on the ship.

But by how much? Does Rush's increase in Ancient knowledge over astroyphysist 2 that its worth taking the risk of the danger Rush proposes. Yes I understand this is rhetorical.

Had Young exposed Rush, put Eli in charge of the scientists, put Greer as Rush's permanent escort and confined Rush to quarters except for sciency stuff, that would be acceptable... not leaving him to die.

Their is a few problems with that
And you think Rush would allow that happen? He would probably find a way to mantipulate his way out. He found his way to get out of kidnapping 80 people. I think he would find his way out of this one as well. Thier is still is the problem him mantipulating people's lives to get what he wants

[Misfits]

DEEVIL,

First Anger Problems don't make Opportunity, Motive, and Possession of the Murder Weapon. Without that she has no business passing judgement on Greer.

Not even a little bit.
Once the matter had been dropped and THE PERSON WHO SHE WAS AFTER, which was Young, Not Greer was removed then there was no need...none at all to isolate Greer unless she was using her command (JUST LIKE TELFORD) to exact revenge on a past action.

It's so transparent it's cellophane.

Thank you for joining the discussion. It's finally nice to have someone else re-state my points.

[Misfits]

I would comment more, but I've stated my position already .

You have a POINT?

Besides looking at the mirror, that is?

I thought you were just practicing your typing.

[nx01a]

And you think Rush would allow that happen? He would probably find a way to mantipulate his way out. He found his way to get out of kidnapping 80 people. I think he would find his way out of this one as well. Thier is still is the problem him mantipulating people's lives to get what he wants

Until he gets the master codes to the ship and starts forcing people to do things his way [which I'd love to see, actually], he won't stop his attempts at manipulation but look at his track record. The only thing he's done that have really succeeded was stranding them. Everything else [and even the stranding] have been seen by the crew as obvious manipulation. When he tries something next and everyone knows his track record [especially after framing Young], they'll triple and quadruple check up after him. He's really not very good at manipulating people.

[Maj_Cliffhanger]

Um, no, you don't. Unless you're living in a military dictatorship. Do you?

If you are a Civilian Employee of the Government... yes! You do!

[Misfits]

She has no tact either, as evidenced by the way she handled taking Greer and the other Marines off the off ship mission list. Not only are Marines the best troops for the job as far as providing security, but she made the decision out of spite to the determent of the great good and safety of the crew.

Additionally, she's wasn't very smart in the way she handled the Greer situation. By passing the established military chain of command, she brought the confrontation with Greer upon herself.

Good point. Bravo.

[EllieVee]

If you are a Civilian Employee of the Government... yes! You do!

Maybe where you're from.

[valerius]

RDA and Robert Carlyle don't even have the same profession as far as I am concerned. RDA is Jack O'Neill is RDA is Jack O'Neill (and that's fine with me!), but Carlyle is a heavy weight character actor who has appeared in a zillion movies of very different flavors and never failed to amaze. Sure, he's not a household name but that's quite common for this type of actor. Just think of Tim Curry for example. I don't even know how that guy looks in real life because he gets so much into his roles.

I would like Mr Carlyle to wake up btw. Up until now I feel like he's sleepwalking. More Begbie please!

[EllieVee]

RDA and Robert Carlyle don't even have the same profession as far as I am concerned. RDA is Jack O'Neill (and that's fine with me!), but Carlyle is a heavy weight character actor who has appeared in a zillion movies of very different flavors and never failed to amaze. Sure, he's not a household name but that's quite common for this type of actor. Just think of Tim Curry for example. I don't even know how that guy looks in real life because he gets so much into his roles.

I would like Mr Carlyle to wake up btw. Up until now I feel like he's sleepwalking. More Begbie please!

I am so wanting Rush to go all Begbie on Young's arse.

[Misfits]

Acknowledge but the way she carried out justice was poor and a public nuisance. She made judgment calls based on her emotions and that's why many men have a problem with women in command. This women has emotional issues.

There have been MANY competent, even brilliant, women commanders in sci-fi or real life scenarios. So, to categorizing women as poor commanders would be irrational.

That said, Ms. Wray is not fit to lead. Too naive and biased.

[valerius]

I am so wanting Rush to go all Begbie on Young's arse.

Yes... just once and I promise I'll be glued to the screen for however long the show runs

[Misfits]

Rush is too important.

I disagree. To label someone indispensable is to give that person a blank check to do whatever that person wants to do. In effect, putting them above the law.

NOBODY is above the law, and if that person won't accept that,

RUSH (viciously): We'll never be done.

then, that person must be eliminated for the good of the group.

[Misfits]

The reason Wray is a bad leader is that she has half the qualifications. She has the mangerial pencil position and distribution of resources that comes with leading. But a respected leader ledas by example. We expect if it came down to it a good leader would be willing to make the same sacrifices as the person he or she leads. And that is what Wray lacks and why she isn't a good leader.

Col. Young proved that he is a good leader in "Air", when he was willing to sacrifice himself to be the person to go in the damaged shuttle.

I suspect that he has demonstrated this many times before, which has earned him the loyalty of Sgt. Greer and Lt. Scott. AND the respect of Gen. O'Neill.

[Misfits]

If leading by example is how it's done, then going from being framed for murder to actually commiting murder makes Young a great leader.

First of all, why is marooning Dr. Rush a murder?

It is my contention that Col. Young gave Dr. Rush a final chance,

YOUNG (quietly, ominously): Are we done?
RUSH (viciously): We'll never be done.

It was Dr. Rush who forced the issue with his response.
He got what he asked for.