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Originally posted by Saquist View PostHow much more deliberate do you need?
He did it and had a very poor reason for stranding them there. All he could think about was never seeing what's on the other side.
They didn't even send a Malp through. They had no idea what they were walking into.
They could have stepped into vacuum,under an ocean, black hole, miles under ground in solid rock. He was massive presumption. And frankly the most unbelievable thing about the pilot..
It was contrived the moment he started dialing it. It would have been better if they had come under attack after already establishing the wormhole with people on the other side already exploring.
Aside from that you've seen the same episodes I have. Rush has arrogantly withheld information lied, framed and verbally assaulted his on team as well as the military.
Originally posted by The Mighty 6 platoon View PostLOL. I guess your right none of us can show enough birth with Rush's actions.
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Originally posted by EllieVee View PostQED. I knew you'd not be able to come up with actual examples. He didn't deliberately dial the ninth chevron to strand them there. As evidenced by Air the extended pilot and
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Originally posted by The Mighty 6 platoon View PostEllie just clarify something for me, are you actually arguing that Rush dialled the 9th chevron with the deliberate intention of saving everyone's life as his main objective? Because I don't think that's the way it is and the show, especially with scenes like the extended bit with O'Neill plays it. I think it shows he felt that the important thing was to dial the 9th chevron, whether for selfish reasons or whether because he felt altruistically that it was for the good of humanity that they explore beyond the 9th chevron, his interest was in getting to the Destiny.
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Originally posted by EllieVee View PostI think it's a combination of both. I think he wanted to dial the ninth chevron to find whatever it was that was at the other end but he also realised that dialling Earth (and by extension any planet close to home) would likely kill all of them, so he took the chance that the power translating through the gate would be 'diluted' by distance. I think there's enough evidence on screen that he was right about the risk. Sure, he wanted to dial the ninth chevron and he's happy (though I think happy is the wrong word for Rush) to be there, prefers not to go home, but the other factor has to be taken into account.
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Originally posted by jelgate View PostAnd that energy translatiing through a wormhole is constant regardless of the distance
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Originally posted by EllieVee View PostExcept that you're accusing him of being all black not grey. Were you saying he was grey you would be saying the same thing as I am: that what he's not is not provable.
He didn't refuse to eat with Eli and the others because HE WASN'T INVITED TO EAT WITH ELI AND THE OTHERS. Colonel Young comes in, asks Eli to have dinner in the officer's mess. All Rush says is that he'd prefer Eli to keep working. Young takes Eli out AND AT NO TIME DOES HE INVITE RUSH TO EAT WITH THEM NOR DOES RUSH REFUSE TO GO.
Yes, I'm shouting because what you accuse him of didn't happen.
Yes, he makes decisions that the weak Young will not. He's a pragmatist, which appears to be a crime now, too.
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Originally posted by aretood2 View PostActually I want him to be black....
I wonder why he was not invited.
meh. No big deal.
yet he makes them like a battle hardened soldier instead of a civilian scientist. Something is missing there...
until I know more about his possibly tragic past I am left with one conclusion...that he is the devil himself....seriously if you get mad at that very last statement I will never ever ever let you live it down!
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Originally posted by EllieVee View PostI just said that.
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Originally posted by The Mighty 6 platoon View PostYou said prefers, and no offence Ellie but the whole dialling a planet in the Milkyway would kill them is a total asspull. Nothing of the sort is said onscreen about it and when challenged by O'Neill over dialling the 9th chevron Rush never mentions that dialling a planet in the milkyway would have killed them. Further it'd derail many of the themes of the show. SGU is centred around two morally ambiguous characters warring for the soul of the crew. This makes him their saviour and makes him into some kinda of martyr. If Rush was meant to be seen this way and had saved them from dying by taking them to the Destiny it would have been explicitly stated on the show.
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Originally posted by EllieVee View PostI like the grey. There's an interview with Carlyle where he says just when you start to like Rush he does something horrendous to put you off. I like that explanation.
If you take a look at the arrival scene at Icarus, Young walks straight past Rush without a greeting and Rush gives him a filthy look. Bad blood for a while there, I'd say. It's a nice little forshadow of things to come.
Yes, exactly. He makes the hard decisions. What led him to that?
I was always on the devil's side in Dr Faustus.
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Originally posted by EllieVee View PostNo, I don't think it would have been stated. I think given the moral ambiguity we supposed to see both sides because we don't know which is which. Plus, the accusation of he only did it for his own ego removes that ambiguity entirely and puts him firmly in the black hat category, which he isn't. He's somewhere in the middle.
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Originally posted by aretood2 View PostHorrendous you say?
Interesting, But this could be interpreted differently. Rush wasn't to kind to scott in "Air" and it didn't seem like he respects military that much. Young could have just not known him or was being a jerk. There for....
You know that cops usually have a hard time dealing with firing their weapons. Even if they had no choice they still require a psych evaluation. That's a Police officer, if Rush makes these hard decisions and shows no conflict....what does that say?
I did not sell my soul to the devil, maybe to deevil but not the devil
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