Originally posted by Ser Scot A Ellison
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Young has psychologically crumbled and needs be removed from command.
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Last edited by Blackhole; 18 June 2010, 09:43 PM.
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I just don't get why he didn't tell them *after he had locked the door and told Brody to vent the room*. Telford wasn't going to pick up on anything because he was locked in a room, dying, but Camile and Matt were standing there thinking they were witnessing murder. It would have made sense to tell them then.
Of course, then Camile wouldn't have got her "You've killed him" line and the whole scene would have been a great big letdown. Curse you, plot!sigpic
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Originally posted by Lahela View PostI just don't get why he didn't tell them *after he had locked the door and told Brody to vent the room*. Telford wasn't going to pick up on anything because he was locked in a room, dying, but Camile and Matt were standing there thinking they were witnessing murder. It would have made sense to tell them then.
Of course, then Camile wouldn't have got her "You've killed him" line and the whole scene would have been a great big letdown. Curse you, plot!Originally posted by aretood2Jelgate is right
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Originally posted by jelgate View PostProbably in case if it didn't work and Telford actually died.
that way if Telford did end up dying, it doesn't fall on anyone else's shoulders. I can completely see that action as being something in Young's makeup.
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Originally posted by jelgate View PostProbably in case if it didn't work and Telford actually died.
I still think the only reason he didn't inform them was to preserve both of their fear of his actions and to have prevented them from saying something that might have clued Telford in that Young was bluffing and was going to immediately revive him. Or he simply wanted to prove a point that I am in command and you need to trust me; and even if you don't, you need to do what I tell you.Last edited by Blackhole; 19 June 2010, 10:20 AM.
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Originally posted by Kaiphantom View PostI'll partially give that to you, but he still could have gone through with it. He ordered people not to shoot. Once again, his bad call ended up getting someone killed with nothing to show for it. I mean, if you're gonna lose someone either way, at least take the action that's going to get you something.
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Originally posted by Blackhole View PostHow would telling or not telling Scott or Wray affect their culpability in either way? They had no say in Young's action. How would being let in on his plan in the last moment make them more guilty in any possible fashion? They tired to reason with Young and Scott actually made a physical move towards Greer and was stopped by him and Wray tried to convince Brody to stop. The only benefit I can see for culpability reasons would be for Young himself. It would show before Telford/Rush had died that he had a reason other than revenge or torture for evacuating the air.
I still think the only reason he didn't inform them was to preserve both of their fear of his actions and to have prevented them from saying something that might have clued Telford in that Young was bluffing and was going to immediately revive him. Or he simply wanted to prove a point that I am in command and you need to trust me; and even if you don't, you need to do what I tell you.
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Originally posted by EllieVee View Post...
Which fits with his previous actions.
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Originally posted by EllieVee View PostNo.
"I am in command and you need to trust me; and even if you don't, you need to do what I tell you."
Military commanders have to get soldiers to do all sorts of things that the soldiers don't trust or don't want to do. I don't really see it as being much different than the above statement, but meh, whatever.
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Originally posted by xxxevilgrinxxx View Post*scratches head*
"I am in command and you need to trust me; and even if you don't, you need to do what I tell you."
Military commanders have to get soldiers to do all sorts of things that the soldiers don't trust or don't want to do. I don't really see it as being much different than the above statement, but meh, whatever.
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Originally posted by garhkal View PostVery true. For all they knew, what Young was doing was illegal..
Still. Technically speaking his actions were not illegal which is the main point. As for his pychologically crumbeling that is really an assumption. I have seen no actual facts leading to this. Maybe its the wording that seems wrong?
None the less I see no proof of this or reason for his removal...Last edited by Tuvok; 19 June 2010, 10:29 PM.
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Originally posted by Tuvok View PostTrue , Young could have taken the time out to explain to them..
Still. Technically speaking his actions were not illegal which is the main point. As for his pychologically crumbeling that is really an assumption. I have seen no actual facts leading to this. Maybe its the wording that seems wrong?
None the less I see no proof of this or reason for his removal...
In regards to the whole, this was simply one in a series of poor decisions from Young, who tends to lead with his emotions and fists (or as some have noted, head butts) rather than rationality and logic. The former has lead to people dying. Perhaps the latter would, too, but I think decisions would be more justifiable had he applied a little commonsense to them.
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