SGU Tech & Plot lacking

[rlr149]

If I wanted drama i would watch law and order. You cannot use the crystal ifyou are not going to talk to mckay/or carter

i think its fairly obvious they can.

[stargallatica]

i think its fairly obvious they can.

Its just to big of a plot hole to be ignored.

[thekillman]

why does everybody, seriously, EVERYBODY think, that what they need is more intellect? rush could merely stare at the console while power failed. he cant type in some command and magically get power.

this is not SGA people, where everything is solved by imputting a command, rerouting power, changing a few optic cables, switching a few crystals, or just hooking up a ZPM. this is SGU, where people are on a ship that is falling apart, a ship that is terribly old and they lack RESOURCES, not knowledge, and not even CARTER can solve something without ANY resources.

[rlr149]

why does everybody, seriously, EVERYBODY

not everybody does.

[thekillman]

too many do

[rlr149]

too many do

vapor gets let off cos he's not been here long, you should know better

[thekillman]

he's not the only one

[s09119]

McKay or Carter would have been completely useless on the ship, considering the issue wasn't a genius intellect (which they already have), it was that they were, quite simply, locked out of the system. You could have Sam and Rodney there all day, and they wouldn't make any more progress than Rush did.

[Alterran1.]

McKay or Carter with assistance from Daniel would be able to get into the ships main systems.

Unless it was a hardware fault.

They could break ancient codes and have done so on many occasions particuarly McKay. Rush may not have experience overriding ancient security protocols.

The only possibility that they would not ba able to deal with a security system is if Destiny had an AI and then Daniel would probable be able to convince it even then.

[howwow]

Hi all.

Apologies if this has already been addressed and answered, regarding why didn't someone just use the Comms Stone and bring an expert like McKay or Carter onto Destiny.

Actually if you read the Season 1 list of episodes and some of the spoiler plot, in one of the future episode, the brief plot said they brought someone very expert in one area, didn't say what on board Destiny to help solve a problem. So it can be McKay, Carter or even McKay's sister!

Now that would be fun. Cheers

[s09119]

McKay or Carter with assistance from Daniel would be able to get into the ships main systems.

Unless it was a hardware fault.

They could break ancient codes and have done so on many occasions particuarly McKay. Rush may not have experience overriding ancient security protocols.

The only possibility that they would not ba able to deal with a security system is if Destiny had an AI and then Daniel would probable be able to convince it even then.

That's what made SG-1 and Atlantis so moronic near the end, though, that these humans could crack Ancient codes in about 5 seconds flat, completely reconfigure their computers in minutes, and repair things they couldn't in under an hour. I much prefer SGU's approach, where we can't just hit a button and instantly have everything working again.

[Alterran1.]

They wouldn't simple be able to get everything working. Due to problems being of a hardware nature.

It would just allow them into the main system where they can navigate the ship or at least find out what the ship is doing and why?

However it took Carter along time to get too that point. At Dakara she had the help of her father and Baal and apparently another Goa'uld scientist.

Overriding Ori systems was done only with Daniel giving her the necessary information.

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That's what made SG-1 and Atlantis so moronic near the end, though, that these humans could crack Ancient codes in about 5 seconds flat, completely reconfigure their computers in minutes, and repair things they couldn't in under an hour. I much prefer SGU's approach, where we can't just hit a button and instantly have everything working again.

I do agree that SG1 and SGA got kind of lazy about modern humans being so super-able. That's part of what I was looking for with SGU - less instant success, more complex challenges and some gritty tough decisions.

Just imagine:
They have the 5 communication stones, so they work out a schedule of shifts with 4 Earth smarties swapping with 4 Destiny flunkies to bring as much intelligence and "outside thinking" as they can. Bring a doctor to train the medic, bring life support specialists and power specialists, bring computer hackers and Ancient specialists. The military leader should have scheduled that right away.

And the new part is that even the geniuses can't solve it all. The solutions aren't technobabble. Sometimes we fail. Sometimes, a brave person has to risk it all.

That would've been AWESOME!

Instead...they haven't used all the stones, and half they time they use them to solve personal emotional issues - while others are in danger of dying. There just doesn't seem to be organized problem solving going on here. Rather mystifying.

[TonyB1972]

Get upset if you want, but is this still Stargate? Have McKay/Carter been able to do this? This is older tech, yet people can't navigate any of it. Given the canon/history of Stargate, I guarantee McKay would be flying that thing by the end of the first episode....Call it stupid, moronic, easy, or whatever.....but to ignore it and say I like it better alters the shows reality....thus creating a plot hole, which is the topic...


I am not saying the writers should of made it so, but I am saying they did. They already said the Ancients were their biggest mistake ever. They made something super grand, then they had to dumb it down with silly rules and non-interference...

Get upset that people state what happens in a show? It would be like me getting mad because on the show cops, people get arrested...I don't know why people seem to think you can just show up and arrest people on cops!


Mckay would of had panels open, and that little laptop hooked into it and know who the last ancient was that had ever been aboard the ship, before it launched....thats why the crystals were a bad idea...then you can just say these peoples skills are not at that level...or they have different areas ect...


If you don't think so, give me a real reason why, not that its stupid that they did it before or you thought it was too easy. I know people are jaded, but it doesn't change the history of the show and what they can and can't do. They should of atleast had the crystals reach a 'range' and stop working, then they would of had a reason there also.

[Darynlxm]

So, my thoughts.
1) The FTL, may or may not be faster than Hyperspace, it could have been so power hungry that it was deemed not worth it in typical ships, but hyperspace travel could consume a fraction of the power??? Thoughts???

That is a possibility. I think that no matter how you look at it, that would have been one of the few system that taxed the ships power, along with internal dampeners, life support and gravity.

Personally, I dont see life supposrt consuming nearly as much power as any of those systems, but whos knows, eh?

2) If the communication stones cause minds to swap between bodies, then why is it that Carter, Zlenka, McKay etc have not been brought onboard in mind swaps with some useless crew members to help solve some of these ships problems?

Im thankful that they havent been there, honestly. Far too many people [fans] rely on Sam / Daniel / Mckay to solve every effing problem in every series. And as others have stated, what good would they really do?

The Destiny's power was gone, there is no way you can MAKE more power by bringing in someone from earth, using zero resources.

And how do we know that you can even access the primary systems such as navigation from the crews current location? Im currently at work and have access to all the computers on my level of the building, but the level above me, I have zero access too, however, that level has access to all MY systems... couldnt that be the same predicament here?

I think the writers are doing well so far in keeping SGU on its own, while we have has Sam / O'Neill / Daniel (video) as part of the series, they were background characters and I like it that way; they're not relying on the fix of the minute from S/D/Z/O'n as we're used to.

3) SGU seems like a Battlestar Galactica remake so far (with Baltar basically being Stasiak), part of what intrigues us with SCI FI is the concepts & thinking through all this wonderful technology, not the drama and soap opera that is being created.

Personally, I disagree. I can see similarities, small ones, but BSG gave me an entirely different feeling when watching the SGU and that for me makes all the difference.

I also disagree that there is no drama in scifi, or that its not a primary aspect. sci fi seems more like how one reacts (drama) when faced with certain tasks or challenges resulting from fantastical technologies.

For instance, I absolutely loved Dr. Rush' having a total breakdown, it was a great scene which has come about because of his interaction with people and the failing technology on board the ship.

4) What good are stargates left on planets by seeder ships without DHDs, if inhabitants ever did occurr on a seeded planet, then how would they use the stargates and none are close enough to earth to dial?

There was a poster in another thread that mentioned that maybe the seeder ships dont seed millions of gates throughout a galaxy but select certain points IN a galaxy to deposit a few. When the Ancients arrived and started studying the planets, they could determine if it was appropriate to set up a gate network. Then, new gates with DHD's would be installed.

I think its a pretty good theory too...

5)The ships sent way out MUST have a recharge ability, suns, nebulas, or something and the ability to collect necessary resources to fabricate stargates automatically, but with only a few gates per massive FTL jump, what is the point of a stargate network of four gates too far to reach from Pegasus or Milky Way other than seeding new life in other galaxies?

...I think this is the entire point of the two episodes (Darkness and Light). This will hopefully show us how the ships would recharge themselves, even if it seems rather retarded to hurl yourself towards a sun like that.

6) The plot needs to speed up, less drama, more learning of secrets, tapping into a deeper ancients understanding and the roots of their technology and beliefs..

Personal preference I suppose, I think the speed is good. While Id like to see more of the Destiny and how she works, Im fine with being patient and learning it slowly.