The Mission

[nesais]

Just to add.. randomly... I think it's definitely been said before that they're on the edge of the universe???? I'm seeing conflicting information.

I can't remember who said it but the line went s follows:

"..out here, at the edge of the Universe."

that was just the trailer. they are "billions" of light years from home, but not enough to be at a conventional edge to the universe.

Based on what? I think it's unlikely anyone coming in here knows enough about physics to say if there is or not seeing as nobody on the planet definitely knows if there is or not.

Considering they've mentioned the 'edge of the universe' as well as a structure at the 'centre' I'd say the canon most definitely disagrees with you.

it's most logical to assume that the structure of spacetime is such that there is no edge. sure we cant know this any more than we can speculate about the existence of god (from a scientific viewpoint), but no edge makes the most sense.

where have they mentioned an edge or a center, because rush should be smart enough to know that there is no such thing as these concepts when dealing with the geometry of the universe. i disagree. i think canon is not saying anything about an edge or a center, and the only place it would be popularized is in some of the trailers. if the writers and show runners are making such claims then that's certainly more fiction than current science.

[Gala]

I agree with the where it originated bit and I don't think it really matters within the show if that originating point is the actual centre of the universe or not.

[nesais]

I agree with the where it originated bit and I don't think it really matters within the show if that originating point is the actual centre of the universe or not.

agreed. the show will concern itself primarily with how all this affects the characters. it's not going to care if there is an edge or not. the mission itself will be the thing that matters the most to the characters. the nature of the mission is as of yet not public knowledge. it's science fiction so even making assumptions based on science won't necessarily reveal a lot or anything.

[Yggy]

Well opinion here:

I think whatever it is doesn't represent a place or time but more a who or what that is beyond current or even ancient understanding thus the purpose of the study. I think it has already interacted with the crew. It is obviously very aware of the Destiny and most likely its mission. It could have even given them an option out with the perfect planet -- the ability to transfer a baby off the ship though "magical" means -- or build log cabins for the people on the said planet -- or hell even just create the mental manifestation of all those events if they were purely to comfort the agony of the situation. Either way all equally amazing feats linked with the shared visual of the vision and the nebula structure. I mean those possibilities range from solar system building to the attention to provide very specific detail for very small events on a very large galactic scale.

This who or what is obviously stronger or more profound in the area they are in. Weather it is because of proximity or because of the nature / understanding of its mission is something that is completely unknown so not much reason for major speculation on that from me. But obviously if you have something coded in the very background clutter of all that exists is first an interesting idea that made an explanation make pop up over my head when I heard it. Interesting. Then a mission to discover its source and purpose even more so. This really has the scope to go way beyond anything any Stargate (or hell any mainstream science fiction on television ever to my knowledge) has gone before if it is done right and of course if they have the (real world) time to pull it off.

In other words just wanting it for the thirst for a good sci-fi is over and the interesting aspects of the story have captivated me. I look forward to this show much more now.

[kernl sandrs]

it's science fiction

I sometimes like to call it scientific-fiction.

[nesais]

I sometimes like to call it scientific-fiction.

i'm hoping they keep it that way, i like that you can make assumptions about stargate that are somewhat embedded in actual science (at times). it just makes it that much more epic

[death13a]

I think of Big-Bang as a 3d puddle, when you drop something in water it creates ripples. what if you use 3d puzzle and stuff balloon inside and blow balloon up as it expands puzzle pieces will separate from each other, an empty space will appear and expand.


I think the goal of Destiny is to collect puzzle pieces and piece together the original shape of the universe. So Destiny travels along edge of universe trying to find the pieces by from south to north and back to south gain (whatever up and down is) and do it over again until it visits all outer galaxies and return to where it began (ancients home galaxy). Going straight to center and miss by trillion light years is not fun, so first they need to pin point the exact location of center by going around and if they get there they still need to find whatever is there.


I also think ancients gained their ascension but acquiring, understanding and applying their piece of puzzle, same for planet builders they too used their puzzle piece to ascend. Now if you understand 1 piece of puzzle what do you get when you have complete picture of puzzle.


Stargates have multiple purposes:

1. supplies, establish communication with other species
2. act as radar to catch the "noise" (piece)
3. act as beacon to measure the expansion
4. when all is completed act as mega-super-gate to open a gate in middle of universe.

[hercthx]

the farthest science has gone in explaining the universe they believe it started out as a super-super-ultra dense singularity that was somehow triggered and exploded. now that singularity was travelling at great speed so to determin the actual center would be quite difficult but with heavy enough math in theory could be determined. would require unimagionable computing power, and fantastic technology to get there. would really help to know destiny's relative speed.
I really want to know what the source is!!!!!! what is the signal about!!!! have not had a space mystery take over my thoughts this much in a long time!!!

[nesais]

the farthest science has gone in explaining the universe they believe it started out as a super-super-ultra dense singularity that was somehow triggered and exploded. now that singularity was travelling at great speed so to determin the actual center would be quite difficult but with heavy enough math in theory could be determined. would require unimagionable computing power, and fantastic technology to get there. would really help to know destiny's relative speed.
I really want to know what the source is!!!!!! what is the signal about!!!! have not had a space mystery take over my thoughts this much in a long time!!!

that made me think of "captain, the singularity is about to explode"

(sam carter in 200)

and it only makes sense to define a center if the curvature of the universe is such that there could be a geometric center. not all shapes have geometric centers

[thekillman]

3. act as beacon to measure the expansion

that's actually very true. stargates send correlative updates, so the gates themselves would measure -almost in real-time- the expansion of the universe and it's direction.




besides you guys realize that, to determine the center, you'd need to find the edge? which - after billions of years of expansion- is incredibly far away. and even then, what would we see?



oh and current theory believes the Universe is either saddle shaped or "dented"

[nesais]

that's actually very true. stargates send correlative updates, so the gates themselves would measure -almost in real-time- the expansion of the universe and it's direction.




besides you guys realize that, to determine the center, you'd need to find the edge? which - after billions of years of expansion- is incredibly far away. and even then, what would we see?



oh and current theory believes the Universe is either saddle shaped or "dented"

it's saddle shaped locally, i.e. what we can see. it's much more sound to believe that there is no edge to the universe and it just wraps in on itself, that's much more logical than a defined edge. just solves issues with having an edge itself. not that it's necessarily what the show runners will want to use in sgu, just that it's what current science/maths prefers to deal with

[Skygate]

Interesting to read some of the comments around the Internet surrounding the reveal.

http://forums.televisionwithoutpity....176317&st=7080

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.js...ageID=17938722

http://www.quartertothree.com/game-t...&postcount=913

http://forums.stargateworlds.com/sho...d.php?p=774857

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1286039/.../173546358?p=1

{mod snip}

http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=4518760

I'm a little surprised at some of the responses. Is the idea of this mission really that bad? I'm very interested in seeing where this is going.

[jelgate]

Interesting to read some of the comments around the Internet surrounding the reveal.

http://forums.televisionwithoutpity....176317&st=7080

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.js...ageID=17938722

http://www.quartertothree.com/game-t...&postcount=913

http://forums.stargateworlds.com/sho...d.php?p=774857

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1286039/.../173546358?p=1

{mod snip}

http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=4518760

I'm a little surprised at some of the responses. Is the idea of this mission really that bad? I'm very interested in seeing where this is going.

Their are some sites they will be close minded and will always think negatively no matter what. The day SGUSucks says something nice about SGU is the day I care about spelling mockers. To that end you can't trust the Internet. They are too skewed to get an accurate representation

[nesais]

Interesting to read some of the comments around the Internet surrounding the reveal.

http://forums.televisionwithoutpity....176317&st=7080

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.js...ageID=17938722

http://www.quartertothree.com/game-t...&postcount=913

http://forums.stargateworlds.com/sho...d.php?p=774857

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1286039/.../173546358?p=1

{mod snip}

http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=4518760

I'm a little surprised at some of the responses. Is the idea of this mission really that bad? I'm very interested in seeing where this is going.

{mod snip}

there are some very good points in some of those threads imo, if you stop and think about the episode there are aspects that arent addressed, take for example the fact that the alien ship wasnt even explored properly. nothing was discovered about it, it was just a plot device. not all people will find that dissatisfying but some people will. some people will also find it confusing, especially a casual viewer. and the "god" aspect to everything is going to be unpopular and looked at as a bsg cliche. i'm sure sgu will treat the "god" aspect to it more scientifically. also, the vague explanation of the mission, i.e. how to achieve it, what the specific goals are, would be confusing or dissatisfying to some people.

the good aspects about the show, well we all can agree it was an awesome episode, it was full of positive character drama, team building and revelations about the destiny and characters. let's just hope that no matter what is said it causes people to watch. let's hope that we'll have more and more people watching from here on, and that each episode from here on in will be a reason to come back for all viewers, not just fans/loyalists

[Omnipotent Being]

Well now we know why the Ancients didn't come to Destiny after they came back from Pegasus. They had no reason to. Once they ascended they would be able to find all the answers they wanted without the restrictions of corporeal existence.