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Originally posted by Ganthet Jr. View PostHere is how it goes:
The first nine episodes are (while occasionally interesting) boring, crappy, cheesy, embarrassing, and disappointing.
Episode ten will make you go, "Oh... that wasn't bad..."
Episode eleven will make you freak out.
Every subsequent episode will make you wish the season had started out this good.
In summary, it starts out pretty boring and bad, but picks up, and gets better and better and better and better.
Definitely worth sticking through the bad episodes. Great payoff.
Anyway, MajorWoods, what I would say is to think about SGU as a seperate entity to SG1/SGA but set in the same Universe and with a stargate of which you know how it works. I think that is the best way to go about it. It is a great stand-alone series. Please give it a try, you will enjoy it!sigpic
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Originally posted by Sami_ View PostI think you do those great writers a disservice including SGU in a category of "classic character driven Scifi" with their works. Thats certainly not a criticism of SGU but they were responsible for the greatest science fiction of all time - which SGU is not.
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In the absence of new Trek's or new Gate's episodes from the other ends of the franchises, it's great in that it is NEW content. And it doesn't involve vampires, zombies, or the usual suspects (yet). It's a bit slower paced than what most of us have gotten used to. But it is new, even if it takes us to episode 42 to meet the first sentient beigns. Okay, not 42, but not episode 1-6 either. It's sort of the Field and Stream version of Stargate. Versus the other flavors that are more Nascar-ish in comparison. The pace has picked up a bit in the last TWO episodes. But still a bit too much... Mom... They're shooting at us again... Make them go away... Definitely worth a look beyond the 30 somethings acting like Teen somethings. It would probably be better if it was a weekly series that actually happened weekly. But I digress as I wait till LATE September for the next NEW episode. I like Eli, I like Rush, I like Lt. James. Everyone else that was semi-cool has either died or gotten off the bus.
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So many people on this forum give SGU a hard time for being more character focused... which I think is really unfair... sci-fi shows like Star trek were great where it was all rerouting power and aliens, which SG1 had to a degree but in a more realistic modern day setting. But didn't anyone think that SG1 and SGA were fairly lacking on the character aspect, 15 years of SG1 and SGA and there was never a decent love story and very few true emotional moments, plenty of epicness but after a certain point thats not enough. Not to mention SGA had several awful awful episodes.. like irresponsible, not to mention it basically became the "McKay Deus Ex Machina hour" after a while.
SGU is a great character driven sci-fi drama, in the same vein as BSG, but with much much more sci-fi to it.. aliens, time travel.. etcLast edited by Puddle-Jumper; 09 July 2010, 05:29 PM.I dunno what to put in here now..
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It reallly isn't the kind of show you can take on the referral of someone else. I have found a lot of the episodes as boring as doing your tax, but others have been really good. I think a lot of people fall somewhere in this category but you will also find others who are in love with every single teensy little bit of the show, and others who are the complete opposite.
Give it a crack and see how you go!sigpic
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Originally posted by thekillman View Postthere's plenty of the things i like.
indeed you won't find ALL the things but then it would be a shameless copy, wouldn't it? IMO it's not darker, it just lacks the glimpse of hope on the horizon.
there is humor in it, contrary to popular belief. but more of early SG1 and not shameless crack a joke from SGA's later seasons.
there is action, although the second half has more. we can't be going full speed all the time IMO.
there are likeable characters, it's just that not everyone has equally likeable traits. yes Young's marriage problems IMO weren't a very likeable aspect but so what, he has plenty of awesome in store.
Greer grows a personality beyond the Teal'c type of SGU,
Scott ...
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Wray is stupid IMO but we have to hate someone.
Eli has some bad jokes but got rid of them.
Chloe is useless yes, but we all agree on that.
Telford is just plain evil but we learn why later on, and he grows a proper pair. and he grows awesomeness, the current height being in Incursion.
no you won't like all of them. do you have to ?
no this is not SG1. no this is not SGA. the writers kept their word, we've known it since it was green, we knew ALL THAT TIME that it was different. they kept their word. IMO it's great.
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Originally posted by Sami_ View PostI think you do those great writers a disservice including SGU in a category of "classic character driven Scifi" with their works. Thats certainly not a criticism of SGU but they were responsible for the greatest science fiction of all time - which SGU is not.
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SGU is so different that stargate fans of previous series needs to make an opinion on their own.
What I really missed is good sci-fi plotline every week as SGU tend to dwelve on character issues we don't care about instead of the plot. Still SGU improved a bit during the end of the season.
At the risk of repeating myself, episode like Time, Space have a better balance between a new Stargate storyline and more serious tone and exciting and faster paced sci-fi stories. Those are different but in the right way. Those are not the only episodes I like but they are good examples of a good balance in the style of the show.Currently watching: Dark Matter, 12 Monkeys, Doctor Who, Under the Dome, The Mentalist, The Messengers, The Last Ship, Elementary, Dominion, The Whispers, Extant, Olympus, Da Vinci's Demons, Vikings
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Originally posted by Puddle-Jumper View PostSo many people on this forum give SGU a hard time for being more character focused...
Not to sound so harsh. I like the series. It's my cup of tea, up my alley, and all that jazz. But in terms of people I'd choose to go camping with, most of these characters were better left on the dock. Which I guess means lots of drama ahead. And trauma. Which would be fine if it was a daily soaps kind of deal. But with 3 months between episodes..., err seasons...
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The show is "deep". It's one I need to watch over several times (and don't mind doing so) to catch certain elements. If you watch TV with a lot of chaos going on, talking, checking your facebook, texting, etc you are not going to enjoy it. You're going to think its boring with passing interesting aspects. If you can watch it and focus and try to relate to the characters and their motives you are going to enjoy it much much more. Just my opinion of course. Please come back after you've checked it out and let us know what you thought about it.
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Originally posted by EllieVeeMy view is that science fiction is science fiction. It doesn't matter whether it is television or books.
We've seen all of these problems in SGU in my opinion and it left many with the feeling that the first half of the season was slow paced because the writers obviously felt it was important to flesh out the characters. In the second half of the season the character drama has taken more of a back seat in most of the episodes and people like myself have been happier because the action and visuals are more important to our enjoyment of the show.
All this of course is vastly different from science fiction in literature and even writers that take huge amounts of time to describe visuals like Asimov are not limited in the same way that television writers are and can give readers more than enough character drama to satisfy them.
In short the reason that they don't mix well is time and I don't feel 40 minutes is enough to make a quality show about both. I actually think that the science fiction drama type show is possibly the hardest thing to succeed at in television (which Caprica creators may be realising also) and what we have seen from SGU so far has been good considering the difficulty of what these guys are trying to accomplish but they are fighting an uphill battle in my opinion that they may never win.
Ironically one of my favorite science fiction movies of all time is Gattaca which does an amazing job with mixing science fiction and character drama but it still flopped because for the mainstream viewer science fiction is about action and visuals, the two genres are almost contradictory as far as television and movie viewers are concerned and as a result the story and characters in all the most popular science fiction works are very one dimensional, simplistic and cliché - essentially rehashed stories in a future setting.
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