Jackson wearing Air Force patch in Continuum??

[Puddle Splasher]

Forgive me if this has been seen before, posted, and answered (I be a newbie) but I noticed that Jackson is wearing an Air Force patch (below SG1 patch) in Continuum, but Jackson is a civilian, soooo... mistake?

I've always noticed that except during gate missions, when military formality is required, Jackson is in civvys. And in the first scene before they embark to the Tok'ra homeworld, where the above mentioned can be seen, Vala is *without* an Air Force patch.

[morjana]

Forgive me if this has been seen before, posted, and answered (I be a newbie) but I noticed that Jackson is wearing an Air Force patch (below SG1 patch) in Continuum, but Jackson is a civilian, soooo... mistake?

I've always noticed that except during gate missions, when military formality is required, Jackson is in civvys. And in the first scene before they embark to the Tok'ra homeworld, where the above mentioned can be seen, Vala is *without* an Air Force patch.

Daniel doesn't wear dog tags as a civilian, but his uniform does have the air force patch.

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[talyn2k1]

Forgive me if this has been seen before, posted, and answered (I be a newbie) but I noticed that Jackson is wearing an Air Force patch (below SG1 patch) in Continuum, but Jackson is a civilian, soooo... mistake?

I've always noticed that except during gate missions, when military formality is required, Jackson is in civvys. And in the first scene before they embark to the Tok'ra homeworld, where the above mentioned can be seen, Vala is *without* an Air Force patch.

They introduced the Air Force wings to all team members around Season 7 or 8 I think it was. Teal'c also has them despite not being a member of the Air Force.
My guess is that they have achieved a level of training and experience that allows them 'honorary' wings, where as Vala hasn't had that much experience yet, explaining her lack of wings.

[P-90_177]

Plus they still work for the airforce so it makes sense thay they'd wear the patch.

[Flyboy]

What they're wearing are not technically "wings". Wings are the badges worn by pilots(which contrary to popular belief is NOT every member of the airforce, in fact only a fraction) to represent that their profession and qualification. What the team is wearing is simply the USAF crest/emblem/logo whatever you want to call it, and, as it is a USAF team, as opposed to a USMC team for example, then I can see why (even if I don't agree with it) Teal'c and Daniel wear them, particularly as one can assume they're both under Air Force employment as civlians.

Though why Vala doesn't have one is a mystery.

[wkw427]

He should still have dog tags..

[Morrolan]

What they're wearing are not technically "wings". Wings are the badges worn by pilots(which contrary to popular belief is NOT every member of the airforce, in fact only a fraction) to represent that their profession and qualification. What the team is wearing is simply the USAF crest/emblem/logo whatever you want to call it, and, as it is a USAF team, as opposed to a USMC team for example, then I can see why (even if I don't agree with it) Teal'c and Daniel wear them, particularly as one can assume they're both under Air Force employment as civlians.

Though why Vala doesn't have one is a mystery.

I thought the "wings" were only given to Air Force pilots. Isn't the crest worn on every combat uniform whether worn by an enlisted man or civilian?

[Flyboy]

Yep, that's pretty much what I just said.

[Morrolan]

Yep, that's pretty much what I just said.

Just wanted to make sure I understood you.

[Thunderbird 2]

So, does this mean that Dr Frasier should have had the medical patch when offworld, and a Navy SG team would have the anchor instead of the wings?

I always thought it strange that the Atlantis expedition team members didn't have similar patches to designate scientists from medical doctors from military personell under their nationality patches, but then, this is complicated enough!

[Flyboy]

So, does this mean that Dr Frasier should have had the medical patch when offworld, and a Navy SG team would have the anchor instead of the wings?

I always thought it strange that the Atlantis expedition team members didn't have similar patches to designate scientists from medical doctors from military personell under their nationality patches, but then, this is complicated enough!

Just as a disclaimer, I'm speaking from British experience, not American. But...

No, a military officer/NCO would probably not wear the emblem of another service, but then they wouldn't be on the payroll of the Air Force.

What needs to be made clear is this. The USAF emblem is NOT a set of wings, because it does NOT designate trade, but merely parent service. Thus, Frasier as a Doctor, a USAF doctor, would indeed wear the USAF emblem, and depending, as well as some kind of Medical insignia.

Just because you're an engineer, doctor, or caterer does not automatically make you seperate from the military.

Taking the RAF as an example, the following trades are available:

Spoiler:

Pilot
Weapons Systems Officer
Weapons Systems Operator (Acoustic)
Weapons Systems Operator (Crewman)
Weapons Systems Operator (Electronic Warfare)
Weapons Systems Operator (Linguist)
Aircraft Technician (Avionics)
Aircraft Technician (Mechanical)
Engineer Officer
General Technican Electrical
General Technican Mechanical
General Technican Workshops
ICT Specialist
Survival Equipment Fitter
Weapon Technician
Air Steward
Catering Officer
Chef
Firefighter
RAF Police
RAF Provost Officer
RAF Regiment Gunner
RAF Regiment Officer
Dental Nurse
Dental Officer
Dental Technician
Environmental Health Technician
Laboratory Technician
Medical Assistant
Medical Officer
Medical Support Officer
Nursing Officer
Operating Department Practitioner
Pharmacy Technician
Radiographer
Staff Nurse
Admin Officer
Chaplain
Legal Officer
Musician
Personnel Administrator
Physical Eduction Officer
Phystical Training Instructor
Training Officer
Aerospace Systems Operator
Air Cartographer
Fighter Control Officer
Flight Operations Asistant
Flight Operations Officer
Aerial Erector
Intelligence Analyst
Intelligence Analyst (voice)
Intelligence Officer
Photographer
Mechanical Transport Driver
Movements Controller
Supplier
Supply Officer

ALL of which are military, all of which would wear an RAF flash and identification on their combat uniform in the field, the medical branch wearing medical ID ASWELL.

Just because you're not a pilot, which most aren't doesn't make you any less of an Air Force officer or other rank. And if you're Air Force, you wear the Air Force emblem. I've met Navy and Army officers training to be pilots on an Air Force flying school and they retain their individual service ID on their uniform.

[Hong3103]

Daniel doesn't wear dog tags as a civilian, but his uniform does have the air force patch.

He could if he wanted to. The only thing on dog tags is your name, SSN, branch of military, religious preference, and blood type.

[Thunderbird 2]

Just as a disclaimer, I'm speaking from British experience, not American....

,,,I've met Navy and Army officers training to be pilots on an Air Force flying school and they retain their individual service ID on their uniform.

Just as interesting to me F.O. Bennett, as I am British too!

[Flyboy]

Glad it was, I mentioned the British thing as sometimes I have to speak without direct experience when it comes to US Military protocol, unlike British protocol. But it's usually very similar

[Flyboy]

For anyone interested, here's a list of badges worn in the USAF, mostly detailing profession:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badges_...ates_Air_Force