Babylon (908)

[Quinn Mallory]

Both Mitchell and Carter are the same rank -- Lt. Colonel's -- so Carter is allowed to use Mitchell's first name.

Morjana

Even if that was the case, it is seemed a bit odd for Sam to do so.

[Quinn Mallory]

Judging by the few reviews that I scanned, I might be in the minority for saying that I enjoyed the episode. It was nothing spectacular and depending what they do with these Sodom (sp?) warriors, it is probably the most forgettable episode so far this season; however, we did get to see more of Mitchell this episode and allowed his character to grow on us.

The lack of team interaction was ok for me, but they do need to start to act like a team soon (and aren't supposed to get this team off world stuff this season?). The most compelling aspect of this episode was the continuation of the Ori storyline.

[binkpmmc]

and Mitchell is allowed to use Carter's first name.

[Samuel J. Tilden]

depending what they do with these Sodom (sp?) warriors

Sodom warriors? Um…

Anyway, am I the only one who has trouble telling the difference between Col. Mitchell and Col. Sheppard? I could swear that they're the same guy.

[AGateFan]

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The one thing that TPTB can not have is an eppy that makes Sam leadership
material, because they have so much invested in BB. If fans actually belive that Sam is better(AT), then all that money for Mitchell (BB) will have gone to waste.


ETA--Please don't get me wrong I really like the character and the actor (AT and SC).

I am not asking TPTB to write an ep that makes Sam leadership material. What I am saying is from what I see, right now, on the screen Sam is already more leadership material then Mitchell

I think this bothers TPTB and they don’t know how to counter this so they are purposefully keeping the team separated. Obviously you can’t really keep this up on a team show (or can you?).

I am afraid that if they do write a team ep they will do so in such a way as to purposefully marginalize Carter (and\or the rest of the team) just to make Mitchell look better. I am asking TPTB that they have faith in BB and the character they created and just write a stinking team ep that doesn’t marginalize ANY of the characters…. That’s all I’m saying.

[Redwall]

Even if that was the case, it is seemed a bit odd for Sam to do so.

Not really, given their interaction in Avalon -- she addressed him as "Cameron" then, too. Presumably she's kept in contact with him since Lost City (in all her spare time ).

[AGateFan]

Sodom warriors? Um…

Anyway, am I the only one who has trouble telling the difference between Col. Mitchell and Col. Sheppard? I could swear that they're the same guy.

Not even close. Mitchell is super duper professional Military... at least when his boss is around. Sheppard is pretty much anti military especially when his boss is around.

But then again when Mitchells boss is not around he does seem to lose some of his super militaryness. He looked pretty unprofessional wearing the hat backwards, chewing gum and talking up a storm while the rest of his team was concentrating on the recon mission they were on. Plus he appearently needs some weapons training.

Sheppard is always out of uniform because he doesn't wear his "cover" (hat) when outside but at least he knows to concentrate on missions and how to shoot. Cant salute for crp though.

Maybe they both wear Aqua Velva... thats up the air at this point.

[MediaSavant]

I am a lurker here and love reading all of the varied responses to Babylon. I also have to admit my prejudice: I come from Farscape fandom and am not as immersed in the Stargate universe (although I have seen many episodes). I find it fascinating that people are concentrating on comparing Mitchell to O'Neill in terms of Mitchell's competance to lead. I think what Ben Browder and the writers are building is a character of another stripe than O'Neill's cynicism and snark (that I agree is always used as a leadership tool).

The character analysis you wrote after this was excellent. I agree with it.

[SGalisa]

gosh, just skimmed thru a few comments of this topic - picky commentaries...!
It's like reading most of SG-1, Season 8 all over again, which spoiled me before actually seeing the eps to no end... too many preconceptions formed, and - bad idea doing that. Trying to avoid doing that for the duration of future eps... won't be easy, tho.

I tend to like Stargate (both series!) ...be them good or not so great eps. Each one has its own set of pros and cons.
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re: Babylon ...just some random thoughts...

Cameron - he *did* listen to his grandma afterall.
...but won't the Ori get mad, since they did heal him? (they made him deathly ill in a previous ep, then *saved* him to prove their point)

It would have been interesting to see the reaction on both brothers involved in this story:
- the one for discovering his brother is alive;
- the other for learning of his brother's skepticism re: the Ori.

In the beginning scene, caught Teal'c's roll of the eyes - at Mitchell's imitation of Teal'c's speech, etc...

[Mr. Seven]

"Now that's what I'm talking about!"

Cameron Mitchell is now a true character. Not just Ben Browder on Stargate anymore.

In this episode he brought Cameron Mitchell to life and to tell you the truth this is one of my favorite SG1 eps now.

But to the powers that be: You have to stop dressing Browder and Shanks in the same gear. During the start of the episode I didn't know who was who. Put one of them in a backwards hat or something.

[SyFyFantasy]

I like Stargate, I always have. I like Ben Browder. He's got a tough row to hoe, so I'm being very patient with him. He deserves it. I think this ep. (Babylon) was inspired by "The Last Samauri". Fine. I'm OK with that. Stargate has borrowed storylines before and always put their own flare into it with finesse. However, this time...
One of the things I always liked about Stargate was the military 'presence' in all the episodes. No matter how 'out there' they went (with a story), they always stayed in keeping with their military protocols, respect for General Hammond, and so forth. O'Neill would bend a rule, break a rule, but he ALWAYS respected General Hammond no matter what. That being said...
Last night when I watched it, I noticed Dr. Lam (Lexa Doig) kept in a sitting position when General Landry walked in and began speaking with her. Then, she rolled her eyes at him (still sitting) and was sarcastic when she asked, "why? do you want to 'interrogate' him"? And rolled her eyes at him again!!
Somehow, I don't see Janet Frasier EVER disrespecting General Hammond the way I saw Dr. Lam disrespect General Landry. Can you see Janet Frasier rolling her eyes at General Hammond while spouting off scarcasm to him?? I have a DVR, I played it back to make sure I was seeing it correctly.

I was very disappointed to see this. I guess, while cutting opening credits to sell more ad time, the sci-fi channel cut the budget further by not having a military advisor anymore. If there was a military advisor close by, he was either asleep or on break.

Except for the disrespectful scene, I thought this episode was good. I enjoyed it except for that one scene.

[not so ancient]

Stargatecaps.com is down do to server/bandwidth issues. In fact, they're asking for Paypal donations.

But if anyone has a screencap of Wm. B Davis - the Ori Prior from last night, I would be most, most grateful if you'd send it to me by private message.

I do appreciate your help.

[ThomasDM]

Last night when I watched it, I noticed Dr. Lam (Lexa Doig) kept in a sitting position when General Landry walked in and began speaking with her. Then, she rolled her eyes at him (still sitting) and was sarcastic when she asked, "why? do you want to 'interrogate' him"? And rolled her eyes at him again!!

Indeed it was pretty strange but I believe she's his daughter. I'm not sure what happened but based on a previous episode I think Dr. Lam's parents are divorced and seemingly she is somewhat angry on her dad. Maybe that has something to do with it.



This episode wasn't bad but I expected more from it. I hope we'll see a bit more teamwork in the following episodes. Somehow this episode gave me the idea that the original four (Sam, Jack, Daniel, Teal'c) in combination with General Hammond is a lot better than all these new characters. I liked them at the beginning but this feeling is fading away.

[scifi woman]

"Now that's what I'm talking about!"

Cameron Mitchell is now a true character. Not just Ben Browder on Stargate anymore.

In this episode he brought Cameron Mitchell to life and to tell you the truth this is one of my favorite SG1 eps now.

But to the powers that be: You have to stop dressing Browder and Shanks in the same gear. During the start of the episode I didn't know who was who. Put one of them in a backwards hat or something.

I totally agree! Ben has created a character so far removed from his Crichton character in Farscape. He has defined Cameron Mitchell into a very interesting and likeable member of the SG-1 world.

And, I really liked this episode. Mitchell's interaction with the brother was very compelling. Even though he was considered the enemy, he won him over.

Thank you to TPTB for giving Ben this episode to really show his talents. He's an incredibly talented actor. And I had read in a blog at Sci-Fi website that he even did all his own stunts. I'll still trying to figure out what is a Hong-Kong Twist. Any insights on exactly what move it was???

I found this Sodan storyline very interesting -- I loved the 2 brothers and Tony's character as well. I hope to see more of the Sodan. And more of Ben!

As to dressing Ben and Daniel too much alike -- I'd love to see them in more leather

[Agent_Dark]

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Last night when I watched it, I noticed Dr. Lam (Lexa Doig) kept in a sitting position when General Landry walked in and began speaking with her. Then, she rolled her eyes at him (still sitting) and was sarcastic when she asked, "why? do you want to 'interrogate' him"? And rolled her eyes at him again!!
Somehow, I don't see Janet Frasier EVER disrespecting General Hammond the way I saw Dr. Lam disrespect General Landry. Can you see Janet Frasier rolling her eyes at General Hammond while spouting off scarcasm to him?? I have a DVR, I played it back to make sure I was seeing it correctly.

I was very disappointed to see this.

Ummm, Dr. Lam is not Air Force, she's a civilian. So she's not exactly bound by military protocol like Fraiser was (she was an Air Force Officer). Add to the fact that Lam is Landry's daughter - I didn't really have a problem with that. And they still did have proper military protocol in that scene, the SF's in the background jump to attention when Landry walks past them.