Affinity (807)

[DarkQuee1]

-posted by Jace021903 -Also, I think that Daniel had no choice but to give the info to the bad guys. The look on his face suggested that he thought of bluffing before they told him that they would know if he did lie.Meanwhile, they could have shot Krista to make their point and then snatched up any man, woman or child of the street to continue to threaten him. We don't really know for sure what happened between his receiving the message and going to the stakeout.

I still can't agree that Daniel was right to do what he did. It was a mistake on his part to go off. They didn't even give him proof that they could help Teal'c or that they had Krista before he goes trotting off. And the fact that he didn't ask for any shows how out of his depth he was. This is *not* his area of expertise. He doesn't have the skills or experience, nor does he know the rules of the "game".

He went off on his own, *without* telling his CO and without getting backup--and don't give me the civilian stuff. Civilians working on military projects are required to sign an agreement to be bound by military rules and requirements--and he ended up giving the bad guys key information. In RL, Daniel would have been shown the door, or, at least, kept on a really tight leash for a long time.

This was a blunder on his part. One that will have serious consequences down the road.

J.

[m_wendy_r]

I agree that Jack would not have been on the Abydos mission--but that does not mean that he would not be part of the program, the SGC or SG-1. There are *lot* of people currently at the SGC who were not there for the Abydos mission. Jack is a perfect person for the SGC with his background, skills, talents, abilities and experience. Odds are, he *would* have been one of the people asked to join.


J.

He wouldn't be on SG-1 if he were at the SGC, I recently rewatched Children of the Gods and Hammond said to him, something along the lines of - You have the most experience with fighting these aliens, do you think you're up for it? - At which he said yes, and they became SG-1.

It's quite possible he may not even have known about the Stargate, had he not been on the Abydos mission.

Wendy
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[Bandersnatch]

I've become very frustrated with some people (and not necessarily you), who seem to be insisting that the show should go their way, because they deserve it, and everyone else should just have to deal with watching it. That's not fair to the writers. It's not fair to the actors. It's not fair to those of us in the fandom that don't particularly want to see the series turned into the eight year long romance fulfilled by a kiss in the end by Jack O'Neill and Samantha Carter.

The series is about many things--including a subtext of feelings between O'Neill and Carter--but that does not define the saga. I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps TPTB have tossed out too many bones, and those who picked them up now want their tenderloin.

Oh, bravo! So beautifully said! Just what I have been thinking all along, and have wanted to say -- just this website has mood swings about letting me in!

I hope I'm not putting my foot in my mouth by saying this, but I'm gonna say it anyway: This is a TV show, kids, we can only sit back and watch what the writers feel is the best. Hearing (umm, reading) all of this hate and flame about Pete and Sam -- it's too much. Yes, this is a place for debate and airing opinions, but, can we just remember how we feel about the character's we're fighting over? I think the Jack and Sam thing is sweet, but it can't be. The quote above is exactly how I feel. I mean, if the show ended with the two of them coming together (it could -- if O'Neill retires -- sounds like the best option if the show did go on) I'd feel cheated somehow.

I love these characters more than words can describe in this type of formal writing situation. I love to watch them grow and change. I think the writers are doing the best that they can -- and I hope the fans will support them in their work. I don't want to see a fairy tale ending where the prince runs away with the princess -- I've never bought into stuff like that. This show, though definitely sci-fi, is close to life. They show the reality of things -- the loves, losses, frustrations, struggles, rewards, and joys of being human (or just alive).

Okay, I've rambled long enough. Just, I know there are people out there who are mad about the Pete thing -- but we've supported these characters for nearly 8 years -- we can't drop their hand now. It's not fair to those involved, mainly the actors. If fans get mad, the actors feel it and become frustrated by it. That takes the fun out of their job.

[Tok'Ra Hostess]

Wow, two eps airing on the same night, and no one dies in an explosion. Thank you!

Not bad at all.

So, Teal'c's a "love the one your with" kinda guy, eh? Okay, then; I always assumed the Jaffa males were like that, anyway.

How ironic that the mark of slavery for Teal'c, would become an icon of something (hopefully) positive for that kid. Cool touch, though.

Daniel was terrific, again, and I must say, he and Teal'c are pleasent to look upon

The stories were, I think, nicely woven together this time, and engaging, right up to the end. I liked how Sam chose that moment to tell Pete, "yes." She'd had a chance to see him in action, not overly protective, treating her as an equal or, better, in charge of this op; she got to see his intelligence and intuition - thinking of things she'd never have thought of, he didn't get weirded out over the fact that the bad guys had simply disappeared; she just knew, right then and there, that their relationship could work.

Yes! (as in, I loved her "yes, no" dialogue. )

The Sam/Jack moment was very nice, IMO, and I loved the Sam, Daniel, Teal'c scene with Sam rambling on about something totally unscientific and Daniel's "So, how're things?"

I must admit, it was a tense moment for me when I thought Daniel and Christa were going to be shot. I had totally forgotten about zats, and watching on squinty, I hadn't realized that the agent had switched guns. Really well done. I like these agents; they are efficient - let's hope they are consistently so in the eps ahead.

[Jace021903]

He went off on his own, *without* telling his CO and without getting backup--and don't give me the civilian stuff.

This was a blunder on his part. One that will have serious consequences down the road.

J.

I don't think that I mentioned him being a civilian. Not sure why Daniel would be shown the door more than anyone else for some of the stuff that they have done but OK.

We will agree to disagree.

Actually, I would be glad to see this dealt with further on down the road--I like it when that happens.

[majorsal]

Hey Sally,

I don't know what the big deal is about it.

Although some folks get very distressed about what is and what isn't canon.

I think everyone should be able to see what they want to see and not be told there are wrong because something else is canon.

Just my opinon,

Jace

I think what my prob is... I don't really know what 'canon' means! Or more aptly, I don't know in what reference it's being used.

Sally

[majorsal]

To mods: this post veers almost completely off the subject (Affinity), and prob belongs in the 'ship discussion thread'. If you feel it really 'is' OT here, either delete this post or move it to the appropriate thread if you feel it's best.

Why does everything have to be one-sided? Why should the J/S shippers be given the ending they want when no other fan group in the world would get anything out of it? Who decided that the J/S shippers are the only fans that deserve to be happy at the end?

I can't -I won't- take responsibility for making sure all the other ship pairing shippers are happy and fulfilled. When I used to really be into the show ER, I shipped for Susan/Doug. And as any fan of the show of then will tell you, the ptb never shipped them together. *I* might have liked the idea, but the show never went that way. They went Doug/Hathaway. And I never complained that D/H shouldn't be because it interferes with my preferred ship pairing. I also didn't complain when the two of them went off together at the end (of their story arc). Was I bitter that I didn't get Susan/Doug? No. Did it ruin my fun in pairing them off after Doug and Hathaway ended together? No. I also didn't begrudge the ppl that did enjoy it.

Here's a scenario for you to ponder - after all these years of build-up, let's say you do finally get your validation.

I don't need a validation, I just want them together. Maybe I don't know what you really mean by validation?

Sam dumps Pete, and she and Jack get together. You'd be happy, right? Thrilled?

Yes.

Then Sam leaves the SGC, abandoning all of her work, and her team, to go settle down with General Jack and have a couple of babies. She stays at home, cooks, cleans, and raises kids - that's it.

Why would she leave the SGC? If Jack retires, she'd still be able to do everything she's done before. If they want babies, she could take off some time from gate travel and return to it if she'd like. Heck, she could just concentrate on the science aspect of her career and still be able to be at the SGC. Getting Jack doesn't mean she has to lose the SGC or her science career.

Would you still be happy? If the realization of your dreams resulted in Sam walking away from hers?

Like I said above, why would she have to quit?

Because with the opinion these particular writers seem to have of women, that's not outside the realm of possibility. After all, these are the same writers that had Sam come to the "amazing realization" that she absolutely cannot be happy without a man.

You're talking about Grace, right? I felt her realization was that she wanted to have at least a trace of a normal life. And that included having companionship.

So you'd like to see Sam and Jack share a kiss, and go off fishing together in the final scene of the series. I've heard quite a few J/S shippers say that this is how they want the series to end. With a scene of Jack and Sam, alone, going off together.

There's just two little problems with that.

Remember those two other guys? Daniel and Teal'c? Where exactly are they? After 8 years (or 9, or 10, or whenever the series ends), are they not allowed to be in the final scene of the series?

And people still say that a J/S ending won't destroy the team?

It wouldn't necessarily have to be the last scene of the show. And let's face it, for Sam and Jack to get together, something has to change - one retires, one transfers, etc. So the team would be changed anyways. But I think you're referring to the four of them being together, whether they're on Sg-1 or not, right? So let's say that Sam and Jack kiss and agree to go fishing. Then the scene moves on and shows THE final scene to be Sam, Jack, Daniel, and Teal'c all together, all caring for one another, all being the family that they are. If 'that' happened, would you still dislike Sam and Jack ending up together?

Because I will tell you right now that if it turns out that Daniel and Teal'c aren't in that final scene, and if all four of them don't go off together at the end, I will never watch another episode of Stargate again. I will sell my DVDs, I will sell my books, I will delete all Stargate bookmarks, and I will destroy all of my videos and stories.

Because Stargate SG-1 should end with SG-1, not with Sam and Jack.

I don't want THE last scene to exclude the four of them either. S/J doesn't mean dump the four friends.

I was a J/S shipper. I loved Solitudes. I loved D&C. I loved WOO. I loved BtS. And there was a time when I wanted nothing more than for Sam and Jack to end up together at the end.

That all came to a screeching halt after EvoII. When I watched an episode that I had been eagerly anticipating for almost six months, and I saw Sam more concerned about making mooney eyes at Jack than she was about rescuing Daniel, I realized just how wrong J/S had suddenly gone.

I don't want this to come off harsh - please believe me- but you couldn't have been much into S/J ship in the first place if you could have become this angry and bitter and against it as you are now. I care about Daniel too, and I didn't feel that Sam didn't give a hayhoo about Daniel's fate in that ep. So much of it has to do with writing, directing, editing, etc, and I've seen the show drop the ball before, so to speak, in scenes that had nothing to do with/concering ship.

And even worse was when I realized that I, as a J/S shipper, was going to be used against every other fan on the planet and when I realized that my happiness was going to be used as a justification for destroying everyone else's.

... I don't even know how to respond to this. The writers have shown that Jack cares about everyone on his team, and the the team cares about one another. When the show highlights that two of them have sexual feelings for one another, why does that have to mean that the other relationships suddenly become invalid?

Bri, I'm not evil for liking/wanting S/J ship *which I know you're not saying*. If other fans feel slighted by things, it's not S/J ship's faults. Wanting them to end up together doesn't mean I want everyone else to get screwed over. I know without a doubt that there will be Jack-Daniel scenes, Jack-Teal'c scenes, Teal'c-Daniel scenes, etc - and I'm not begruding the fans of those pairings because of my desire to see Sam and Jack end up together.

It took me exactly two episodes - EvoII and Grace - to go from being a J/S shipper to being vehemently opposed to anything that even remotely hints at it. Because as happy as it would have made me even 8 months ago to see J/S together, the games TPTB have been playing have pushed me to the point where I am now angry that they ever ever put it out there for me to see.

We've talked before on OS, so I know you're feelings on things pretty well *referring to 'games'*. Why I survived Susan/Doug on ER not getting together was because those ptb never hinted at it. I wasn't waiting for 'the' scene to make all my waiting worth while. I am on Stargate, though, and it's because the powers 'gave' me that desire. And they've fed it for years. I want to see a shippy resolution for them, just like I want to see the resolution to Daniel's ascension ordeal, or Teal'c's resolution to the 8 year struggle for independence from the Goauld and independence for all Jaffa. These are storylines that have been on-going, and really need to be addressed. Like S/J. It's just another arc that needs to be addressed (even though I'm obsessed on it to no end) . And wanting that resolution doesn't mean I want everyone else to suffer or not enjoy what they love. I can't take the responsibility for making other fans happy with this show, especially if it means I have to lose something so they can feel it's fair because they did too. I've been waiting 8 years for this one storyline to resolve. And I'm not wrong for wanting it. Or wrong for expecting it. It would be real nice to stop feeling like I am.

Sally

[Jace021903]

I think what my prob is... I don't really know what 'canon' means! Or more aptly, I don't know in what reference it's being used.

Sally

In this case, I was referring to strictly what is on screen--which I suppose can be open to interpretation.

Really though my point was that folks see all kinds of things and interpret things according to how they see the show.

Daniel/Janet was never "canon" on the show, but there were a few looks and touches and some comments by the actors that sort of made it seem like a possibility.

Folks who want to see things a certain way shouldn't be told they are wrong to see the show how they want to.

That's all I meant.

Jace

[majorsal]

This is an interesting debate and I, for one, would like to continue it. Especially seeing as how it has remained so civil. However, may I suggest taking it over to the Ship Discussion thread. I think ship debate is better suited for that thread so that this thread can remain about Affinity. In fact I think that I may go ahead and resurrect it myself.

Shipperahoy
Gateworld Forum Moderator

Oh, you're going to love my upcoming post, shipperahoy! I hope you move both mine and Bri's posts to the appropriate thread.

Sally

[majorsal]

Folks who want to see things a certain way shouldn't be told they are wrong to see the show how they want to.

That's all I meant.

Jace

And I agree. Completely.

Sally

[sirdom]

Greetings!

Does anyone of you know the title/artist of song in the beginning of this series?

Thanks in advance,
Sir Dom

[Dolby1000]

My punishment!
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I still think the episode was weak, though, regardless of my horrible spelling.

I still want to know how the Trust knew right away if Daniel's translation was wrong.

Opps, I'm sorry, that question has nothing to do with Jack/Sam/Pete.

Am I the only one who really is just going with the flow here? What happens, happens. If you don't like it, then write your own story.

IMHO every season has a couple of weaker stories. Affinity was one for Season 8. It doesn't mean I'll stop watching Stargate-SG1, it only means I'll hope for better.

Dolby1000

[Tok'Ra Hostess]

Oi! Can some kind soul tell me how many posts on this thread are episode related? Or am I to believe that most of the 380 posts in this thread are about the dreaded Sam and Jack business?

Aren't there already tons of ship/anti-ship sections you could take this to?

[Major Fischer]

Oi! Can some kind soul tell me how many posts on this thread are episode related? Or am I to believe that most of the 380 posts in this thread are about the dreaded Sam and Jack business?

Aren't there already tons of ship/anti-ship sections you could take this to?

My guess is about fifty fifty, there really are some good discussions of the episode in and amongst the ship discussion... and despite some frustrations the ship discussion has been generally reasonable and civil.

[lapislazuliswan]

[QUOTE=muffo]I have to agree with the negative comments on Affinity.>>>>> Frankly I'm beginning to feel like I did when I was seeing Classic Trek, season 3. It was so bad. Stargate has fallen into that same trap: It is lackluster, dull, and totally uninspiring. I can watch any of the episodes in Season One through Five and be exhilaterated even though I've seen them multiple times: but Season Seven and Eight are just not cutting it on this side of the tube. Since this is suppose to be the last season, I'm trying to stay with it, but it is hard. Like a couple of other people in this Thread, I found the stalker comment to be out of place as was the warehouse smooching. Did I mention I dislike the Pete story line? In spades, doubled! Someone tell me Season Seven and Eight are actually set in an Alternate reality adn we missed the episode that set it up!

You know, this is the smartest thing that I have seen in the whole thread. You have expressed my thoughts on Season Eight so far EXACTLY, especially with respect to Carter/AT.
Listen up, SCI-FI, MGM, producers! We don't want her to be a desperate, overtanned, scantily clad excuse for a PhD Malibu Barbie -- we want our unashamedly brilliant, fatigue-clad, tough, ready-for-anything Sam back. And I don't care if she and O'Neill never work anything out, as long as she's off world, AWAY FROM PETE, and KICKING GOA'ULD ASS!

Also, I might add that (though it's not appropriate for this thread) , I'm not watching Atlantis. Why watch a higher bugeted, sexed-up version of something you've loved if the magic ain't there?