Icon (805)

[Major Fischer]

As I have said before, goo episode except the fact they had shoty props....I bet they went to some mueseum and 'rented' a few M1 Garands from WWII. The same rifles the military personal had in "Icon" were used by infentry men in WWII......

Don't forget Korea

Actually, I'm sure they didn't have to go to a museum, you know studios do rent firearms from prop houses all the time. I think perhaps some people are underestimating two fundamental facts, recreating realistic older looking firearms is harder than you might think (someone pointed out the guy's pistol being different, looked like a flare gun to me). They wanted something vaguely world war II like, *shrug*.

The other thing I'm seeing a lot of here is the underestimation of exactly how iconic weapons are in general. I am a specialist. I assure you, almost all weapons are iconic. Any firearm available in sufficient supplies that it could be rented for a tv production would be recognized.

I'd rather they had not used the early AK's--because that weapon is by definition the most widely recognized in the world--however, I'd say they did a decent job for the most part in chosing Soviet submachineguns (the PPS and PPSh). In fact, I'd venture to guess that if they had wanted consistency in design and something most people wouldn't have recognized, they'd have to have used Japanese small arms of the same period. I'm not entirely sure they are easy to rent though (many were tossed into Toyko bay), and I would be entirely uncomfortable firing blanks with them (they are horribly designed, horribly manufactured, overly complicated....).

But I also know where i want them to spend their money, and constructing a couple dozen entirely new firearms props that they aren't ever going to use again isn't it.

[Ugly Pig]

Once again, I am surprised at how people react to the Daniel/Leda thing. Sexual attraction? I'm wondering if I missed something, because I honestly saw nothing of the sort...

[Newbie]

I don't even care about Leda.

Anyway...what I thought. The episode was ok. Soran, dude, star trek. This ep reminded me of one of the eps form previews seasons...it was jst taken furhter...the wierd flashbacks worked out...but they were not traditional, they were....wierd...think that's it.

[Bandersnatch]

Howdy Campers,

So -- Icon -- Number 5 for season 8 -- hmmm. Well, the "squirrelly" joke was cute. And for the first time since *New Order* I managed to catch the usual sparkle in RDA's eyes for a split second. I'm not sure why -- it's been missing in the past few shows. Maybe I'm just hyper-analyzing stuff. Who knows. The episode was okay though -- the time travel was like "wha...?" for a few seconds. Seems to be something the writers are implying a lot of right now. It works. It'll get old quick, but it works. The whole possible love story felt a bit like "One Hundred Days" only with Daniel.

And how come the SGC wasn't in cahoots that Daniel was missing for so long? Usually the team would be rushing around like mad trying to get him back, no matter what the cost. I can't see O'Neill just sitting on his thumbs like he was either. I half expected to see him out in the field with SG-1. Maybe I'm getting my hopes up too much. I understand what's going on outside of the show so that makes his absence a little easier to swallow -- the key words here being "a little."

Teal'c's hair -- I dunno. It's just odd seeing him with it. And after the little "mini beard" thing he had during the 4th season -- why was that gold and his hair is now black? I mean it looks good -- looks great. I'm just a little hinky about change. That's life, at least that's what they tell me.

So, final thoughts of "Icon." Good, not great. Maybe flashbacks weren't the best way to go -- but for time constraints, okay, I'll buy it. The elevator things they had were really cool -- though I can see myself getting sick in one if you can see the rotation inside. The sets were well done -- nice old house and I loved the outside landscapes. To have wooden rail fences like that -- weew -- lots a work. No horses on that farm! Overall, I'll keep the episode on tape. Makes me wish there was a time and place to submit pitches for an episode before the end though. There were a few good one liners -- and it's good to see Carter in command at last. And is it just me or has Michael Shanks added like 5 inches to his arms since season 7?

[acdj31]

The ep. was okay. I wished that Daniel was more involved with the two governments of the planet. When he was standing in the bunker listening to the two commanders talk, I was thinking why is he just standing there. I thought he wanted to help, maybe be a neutral third party. I did like it how Daniel used code words when talking to Earth and when he decided to take down Soren. I guess after 8 years he is part scientist, part military man.

I like how Jack stayed somewhat clam and Teal'c got angry, when the team was talking to Soren. Wished that there was more concern for Daniel back on Earth.

[brihana25]

Once again, I am surprised at how people react to the Daniel/Leda thing. Sexual attraction? I'm wondering if I missed something, because I honestly saw nothing of the sort...

Simple Florence Nightengale syndrome - nothing more, nothing less.

She has been nursing him for six weeks (give or take), washing him, feeding him, treating his wounds, no doubt southing him through pain... and all the while not knowing if her husband were even still alive to come home.

Daniel was lying there for six weeks, blind, alone, most probably terrified, and all he *knew* was the feeling of her hands and the sound of her voice. He didn't remember how he'd even gotten there. The *only* human interaction he had was with her.

There was absolutely no way they could come out of that without feeling *something* for each other, appropriate or not. It's psychology and human nature.

Above and beyond that, they both knew that nothing would or could come of it. He wasn't staying on the planet, and she was married. They both had their priorities straight.

And if in the middle of the madness that was her world at war with itself, people being murdered in the streets for believing the wrong thing, they managed to find some peace and solace in each other's company, so what?

They didn't love each other - not even close. Jared (or Jarrett - whatever his name was) asked her point-blank if she loved Daniel, and all she said was that she trusted him. That they felt connected to each other on a deeper level than normal is human, and I don't see anything wrong with it.

Actually, the complexity of their relationship (right down to Jared stopping Daniel from running upstairs to help her - that was *such* a Daniel moment) is part of what made the episode enjoyable for me.

I thought it was nice to see a deep, realistic, platonic connection between two characters. It's nice to know that the writers don't *always* have to have people making mooney-eyes at each other to convey that they care for each other.

[DarkQuee1]

I feel like Urgo right now: B-o-o-o-r-i-n-g. <<g>> This was one dull episode. Taking out the commercials, we had about 40 minutes of talking heads--with no one seeming particularly intense about anything--and two minutes of shooting, and then it was over. Wow.

Like too many eps since the start of season 7, it went nowhere and it didn't make any point we haven't already seen. Yes, our arrival can, either physically or culturally, have an effect on a planet (Red Sky, New Ground, Emancipation, Learning Curve, One False Step. And so on, and so on...). We've already seen that; nothing new there.

And we've done the "SG-1 member stuck on planet moves in with lonely farmhousewife" before. Only, I thought that "100 Days" did it better (same three months, too!). (I *do* agree with the poster who commented on the kitchen. I thought it was a lovely kitchen/dining room set up! Queer Eye for Offworld? <<g>>)

And nothing was really accomplished at the end. Jared (was that his name?) says that it's all over. Huh? The entire country--what is still standing, anyway--is in the hands of the religious fanatics. Merely taking over the bunker and killing Soren is not going to change that. (I was glad to see that the writers at least recognized the fact that this could just do nothing but create a martyr.) This is likely just going to increase their fanaticism. The war to regain control has just begun and no victory is really in sight at this time. That's why Daniel's (I think it was Daniel who said it) comment that we will honor our promise to help them rebuild is useless--at least for now. They aren't ready to rebuild. They still have to beat the people who control the rest of the country and that's going to be a long hard slog. And I don't see us any more willing to send these guys arms than Soren.

(Well, it should be, anyway. OTOH, judging from the people in the bunker, maybe they'll all roll over and play dead. What kind of religious fanatics are these? Usually, they're right up front about dying for their cause, because they're sure it will get them into heaven. They need to spend some time here on Earth. *We* know how to do religious fanaticism right!

And are we going to help the Caledonians, too? I didn't notice any offers there. Which was unfair of us.

DJ was OK in this ep, but they didn't really give him anything much to do. Except for shooting a gun at the end, he was more bystander and observer than anything else. Interestingly, Daniel did not even suggest trying to talk to Soren or his people in the bunker. Recognizing finally that talking isn't always a valid option?

As for the issue raised in the show: I don't think it's our fault. All we did was step through the gate; we did nothing else to affect the climate on that planet. Which means that that culture was balanced on a knife edge to begin with and any number of things could have sent it over, up to and including freaky weather. Plus, we just happened to be the first, but there's no reason why some other peoples, including the Goa'uld, could not have come through the gate. If we are going to continue to use the gate and meet new people, we always run the risk that we will shake things up merely by showing up.


All in all, it's maybe a 2 or 3 out of 10.


J.

[Elwe Singollo]

I thougth there was a good amount of action, but i don't know... Me have to watch it again

[TheKatGoddess]

I think for me this is going to be one of those episodes I'll watch over and over again for Daniel, but... even though I've spent all this time talking about what I didn't like about it... I'll watch it again. And whoever mentioned the Squirelly joke - that was funny and I forgot about that!

Florence Nightingale makes a LOT of sense. This is time for me to SHUT UP and just LIKE the episode already.

[Elwe Singollo]

Did anyone else think the city view looked like Kelowna's city view, except it was kind of in rubble, haha... Maybe not, but just a thought

[Newbie]

it was a pretty cool city...but when they showed the overhead...all the building looks so random..like all those buildings are from of 50 different nations. They were all different styles. Now look at any American city...eveything is qubic. Tool downtown, small outside the city...just...that city didn't look right.

[CyberKnight]

I kept waiting for the berets and bad french accents of the French Resistance....and can we ever have any other allusion to bad guys other than Nazi type???

Nope wasn't a Nazi guy as far as I could tell. He reminded me more of Bin Laden.

And how come the SGC wasn't in cahoots that Daniel was missing for so long? Usually the team would be rushing around like mad trying to get him back, no matter what the cost. I can't see O'Neill just sitting on his thumbs like he was either. I half expected to see him out in the field with SG-1. Maybe I'm getting my hopes up too much. I understand what's going on outside of the show so that makes his absence a little easier to swallow -- the key words here being "a little."

Ummm... cause if they triedd something they would be shot before even getting out of the gate room. Remember there was about fifty armed guys with guns in the same complex.

[AgentX]

I thought he was more of a religionist Stalin.

[ana]

I thougth there was a good amount of action, but i don't know... Me have to watch it again

This is exactly how I feel.
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[Elwe Singollo]

It would be nice to have a every other scene with fighting action with guns and everything, but i'm one of those people who want an equal amount, although this episode obviously didnt , it was good enough for me.