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Originally posted by aretood2Jelgate is right
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Given my arguing with people the past week about how Jack's decision you would think I did not like this episode Nothing could be farther from the truth. The fact that it presents such a moral arguement from me and is presented so well as Daniel and Jack disagree about what is right is why I love this episode so much. Its a no win situation and while I am disturbed about how easily Jack sides with the Enkarians without considering the Gadmer's point of view it is still an interesting dilema to wage out in the first place as no one is really the villian. Both species just want to live. The one compliant how we get a nice and easy solution of the Gadmer knowing the original home world of the Enkarians. But maybe I just watch too much dark TVOriginally posted by aretood2Jelgate is right
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Originally posted by jelgate View PostThat example doesn't work because life support or euthanisa implies thier is no hope for their species which just seems inaccurate given this scenario and reason for terraforming said planet. A process mind that started before the Enkarian arrived on the planet with SG1. As for Jack its dangerous to let your emotions cloud reason when it comes to making moral choices. That just leads to bias.
SG1 got lucky in that Daniel was able to fix up a solution that worked for both races but I could have lived with the Gadmeer getting toasted.
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That is not really the issue. I have the problem with letting those emotions cloud his judgement and not even consider the Gadmer. Because the Enkarians were he friends he automatically decidied their life had priority. That is wrong on all levels.Originally posted by aretood2Jelgate is right
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Jack faced with another tough decision. Goes from being the lead hero that has a baby to be named after him, to having to draw upon limited and explosive resources to save members of a race he's feeling personally responsible for. His passion - manifested especially in anger toward Daniel (Tell me, TELL ME, you are NOT on that ship? No wonder Daniel was backing away from him when he and Lotan materialized in the village. Cute! Not as cute as Daniel is in this ep...but I digress!) - Jack's passion is shown as a significant part of his character.
Was this the first reactor turned into a bomb? I think there are naquadah enhanced bombs affixed to the X301 in Tangent, but I can't recall whether there were bombs made out of the stuff prior to this ep.
The storage facility on the Gadmere ship was strangely reminicent of Euronda, and its similar issues. Here, though, the Gadmere species purposely appear quite violent, yet are described as peaceful. Excellent juxtapositioning by the writers!
I think what I read into the look Jack gives Daniel at the end epitomizes the ep: Wanna kill him, while simultaneously so amazed by him.
Part of what makes the show so great.
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Originally posted by jelgate View PostThat is not the point. Ultimately a decision had to be made as both societies couldn't live. I have issues with the ease of chosing the Enkarians without even considering the Gadmer. They have a right to live
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Originally posted by dtheories View PostWas this the first reactor turned into a bomb? I think there are naquadah enhanced bombs affixed to the X301 in TangentNo, plain "slammer missiles" were attached to the X301.
Nevermind.
SeaboeLast edited by Seaboe Muffinchucker; 28 November 2011, 10:36 AM.If you're going to allow yourself to be offended by a cat, you might as well just pack it in -- Steven Brust
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Originally posted by Matt G View PostIn theory yes but this is an example of SG1's reality being imperfect. Jack was effectively faced with the question "which race do I save?" Given that he felt honour-bound to protect the Enkarens...Originally posted by aretood2Jelgate is right
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Originally posted by Matt G View PostHe gave 0 consideration to the Gadmeer because the only thing on his mind was saving the Enkarens.
SeaboeIf you're going to allow yourself to be offended by a cat, you might as well just pack it in -- Steven Brust
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Originally posted by Matt G View PostHe gave 0 consideration to the Gadmeer because the only thing on his mind was saving the Enkarens.Originally posted by aretood2Jelgate is right
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But you could argue that for all intents and purposes the Gadmeer were already dead/extinct. You have one race, the Enkarans that they know vs an automated ship with biological samples. A biological sample is not an entity in itself and therefore it makes sense to side with the actual people who are still alive.
Just now I realized that the Gadmeer are kind of similar to
Spoiler:the Asgard once they've blown themselves up and handed their knowledge over to the SGC in the end. We saw Sam working with the 'Asgard' as a hologram which makes me wonder if the core includes all the Asgard's consciousnesses and if it would be possible, in the future, to give them new bodies.Unmade Plans (WIP: 11/20):
Sam's life takes a turn in an unexpected direction when she's faced with an unplanned pregnancy. The decision to keep the baby and raise it on her own will alter her life forever. Relationships are put to the test, especially the one between her and Jack. She doesn't know what to expect from him and he surprises her at every turn.
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Originally posted by jelgate View PostAnd that is just wrong on so many ethical levels. To automatically choose one species without considering the life of the other
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